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Offline lord dolf vader

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« Reply #30 on: January 19, 2003, 12:39:45 AM »
swedish conservative? contradiction in terms ?

most libral place this side of berkly


and yea i have been there.

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« Reply #31 on: January 19, 2003, 01:01:33 AM »
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Ok Weazel so you are a liberal democrat, kinda like Nancy Pelosi and Barbara Boxer and Hillary Clinton.

Thats cool.



....and clint eastwood....i wonder who would win in a fight (maybe over the last glass of prune juice) between eastwood & heston...only stokholm seems really super liberal. most of the swedes i know are from the north & they are pretty consevative types - although one has been 'on the dole' for over 3 years
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« Reply #32 on: January 19, 2003, 09:35:53 AM »
geeze weazle... first you name all these benifiets we have over other countries and then you claim that the only disadvantage is that we lock up too many scumbags?

did you ever wonder what the figures would be if we didn't have 10 time repeat offenders?
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« Reply #33 on: January 19, 2003, 10:41:42 AM »
We would do a lot better in reducing crime if we legalized drugs, got rid of any laws that we didn't have the resources or inclination to enforce, and lowered the sentences to a reasonable time.

We spend so much time and money on the drug issue; it's a huge waste.  If a person has their drug use under control, it is really nobodies business.  And if they don't, legalization would make the drugs cheap enough they could afford to OD.  OD is effective at stopping peoples drug use than either prison or rehab, with 100% no repeat offenders.  Also even if they don't OD, if the local crank head could get it for $10 a gram instead of $100, he's only have to steal 1 car stereo for every 10 he's taking now.

When you have laws that you can't or wont enforce, you teach kids to not fear/respect the law.  You teach that you don't really mean it when you say 'don't'.  Kids start getting in trouble in their teens and we give them '2nd chances', probation, suspended sentencing, etc.  Then they get picked up for something and when it's over he goes back to see his friends and they say "what happened?",  "nothing".  What was learned? - Nothing.

Along with the last goes that for most crimes our sentencing is too high.  Basically our courts are so over-crowded (from the drug crimes) that they don't have time for trials.  Prosecutors would much rather go for a plea-bargain.  So we set the sentences so high that you can do a plea-bargain and negotiate down to a reasonable sentence.  This may be a great time saver when defendants are guilty but it's not justice. And you have innocent people pleading guilty and taking a couple moths in jail because to exercise their right to a trial they would risk years in prison.  And as we have seen in Illinois death penalty cases lately not everyone who is convicted really did it. So, people can't afford to risk the trial just because they know they are innocent.

Also in Oregon we have 'measure 11’, mandatory sentencing for 'violent crimes'.  These mandatory sentencing, zero tolerance kind of laws are stupid.  We have kids that are 18 years old looking at 7 years in prison for a fluff'n fist fight.  One case I know of involved 2 guys (both 18) mutual fight, cops broke it up, and neither wanted to press charges.  The DA filed the charges. 2 years ago when I heard of it, he was on his first year of 7 in prison.

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« Reply #34 on: January 19, 2003, 12:38:32 PM »
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I'd say it's pretty obvious that you've never been to Sweden.

But I must admit that I thought the reputation of Swedish girls was better than that.


I do some contract work for Ericsson..
You bastards send all your ugly women here... where the hell is the swedish bikini team !!!