Iraq, N. Korea kick Iran out of Axis of Evil

[whgates3]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
...why downplay the misdeeds of NK...

because the sources of information on them are dubious & biased

[StSanta]

Toad, you've just expressed horror over how the DPRK treats its own citizens.

Then you suggest that the US pull out so South Korea can get run over by the DPRK.

I agree that each nation should manage its own defence. But in this case South Korea has seen it more proper to house and feed its citizen and build a democracy, rather than like the DPRK build a huge army with the sole future purpose of invading the South.

Freedom and democracy. Post WWII America has had as an ideal to be the protector of that.

Only way SK could have the means to protect themselves against the DPRK without US assistance is to starve its people and behave like the DPRK.

Toad, yer too smart to fall for the isolationist argument. Better to handle the problem in its cradle than to have it travel to the US in adulthood.

Of course, Europe should pull its weight in the demilitarized zone as well. It's wrong that this task is left to the US alone. But it is a very important one, and one the US doesn't get enough acclaim for. In fact, it seems some South Koreans blame the US. Those would probably not mind spending some time in those reeducation camps.

Anyway, isolationism doesn't work. WWII showed us that. Being overly interventionist doesn't work either. A balance must be found, and *Europe* must begin to pull its weight.

[Naso]

Originally posted by Toad
...countries that are actually trying to improve and become part of the world community. ...

I know, you dont care my opinion, but this sentence leave me with a bitter taste.

Why?

Just change the underlined "the" with "our".



(edit: added the emoticon to explain this it's not a troll)

[Toad]

Well, Santa, that was before Gates made the scales drop from my eyes. Now I see that NK is a happy place, with well-fed people dancing the day away in a worker's paradise under the benevolent leadership of a kind, gentle father figure.

How could  anyone not wish for the peace loving peoples of South Korea to be able to share such a wonderful experience after the inevitable, near-instant "reunification"?

And, after all, their recent elections made the US military presence an issue and their people spoke in the streets.

Funny thing is, what they want and what the mothers of the US want is EXACTLY the same thing! Perfect! Boths sides want the sons of US mothers at home and out of danger!

Jeez, what a simply PERFECT, harmonious solution!

I'm not....... at present........ supporting ANY type of military action by the US against Iraq. Let the inspectors do their job. Further, I no longer support the enforcement of the Northern and Southern "No-fly" zones in Iraq by US forces. There is some confusion as to whether or not Security Council resolutions call for that anyway, so I say pull out. If the Kurds get gassed again... well, the UN and the "world community"    can deal with that if and when it happens.

I AM easing back into the total isolationism view that I held prior to 9/11. I think it is best for the US.

Should we suffer another 9/11 type attack, particularly one that used WMD, I would then feel that we are in a "weapons free" situation where we can simply remove anyone or anything that we view to be a threat and do so with the absolute maximum amount of violence at our disposal.

After that, I think we'll be left alone. If not, well, another few examples should do the trick. Nobody messes with crazy countries with nukes, do they? See how it works for NK?

So, y'all should drive the bus again. See if you can keep it out of the World War ditch this time.

Now, I'm off to Jolly Olde for a week or so.

Try to find "peace for our time" while I'm gone, ok?

[Toad]

Hey, Naso.. feel free to have Italy give as much aid to NK as the US does. Start any time.

We'll take what we're giving them and distribute it in other places where folks are trying to live without maintaining the world's 4th largest army that has no place to go except against either China or South Korea. And  they need nukes as well. A lot of places in Africa spring to mind.

Nah, sorry pal. There's LOTS of countries that could use that food that are much more likely to be a successful, good addition to the world community.