Author Topic: Hehe Rummy puts Germany and France in their place (Read 2172 times)

Eagler · « **Reply #60 on:** January 23, 2003, 04:22:59 PM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Good point Sixpence. All real black people are liberal democrats...

to most of his own race they are ...

Powell, being a REPUBLICAN, wouldn't any more a break from the media or the dumacrats than Bush is getting. He'd be labeled an Uncle Tom as many of his own race do today ....

mrsid2 · « **Reply #61 on:** January 23, 2003, 04:28:06 PM »

Fortunately you people really have no say in who will become the next president.. Lol.

Sixpence · « **Reply #62 on:** January 23, 2003, 04:31:20 PM »

My point being not to look at things as black and white.

Glasses · « **Reply #63 on:** January 23, 2003, 09:18:24 PM »

Yes we are Sweep,sorry to dissapoint you, once they become legal residents of any State of the union we do and can vote for the local representatives of congress,senate and for president,you name it .

Ameritard.

Glasses · « **Reply #64 on:** January 23, 2003, 09:25:42 PM »

BTW I'd be more afraid of the Japanese becoming an SP and their mecha building capabilities

Duedel · « **Reply #65 on:** January 24, 2003, 03:09:32 AM »

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Originally posted by Hortlund
useless war?

If the allies had declared war on Germany on August 14th 1939 and managed to kill Hitler with limited loss of life on both sides, would that war have been useless?

Im sorry Duedel, but you have no idea what you are talking about here.

Hortlund do u really want to compare Saddam Hussein with Adolf Hitler?
Do u really think that if Hitler would have been killed the WWI could have been prevented - maybe, maybe not?
Do u really think all diplomatic possibilities are used to force Saddam to do what we want to do?
Do u really think that to annihilate Saddam will solve the problems in that region?
Do u really think u can declare war on Iraq and not declare war on North Korea etc. and still be creditable?

Ping · « **Reply #66 on:** January 24, 2003, 03:30:22 AM »

The sad fact is, With a rush to war, the area is only going to become more destabilized. Terrorist attacks will increase against American interests and more importantly, fuel the hatred that breeds terrorists even more so.
Have any patriots here wondered WHY Iraqs neighbours DONT want the war? You would think that they have the most to gain from Saddams removal, yet they are the ones cautioning against it.
Already your allied regimes are starting attacks against your people, shouldnt that send off warning bells?

SaburoS · « **Reply #67 on:** January 24, 2003, 05:04:26 AM »

We will have an opportunity to instill a democracy in Iraq which will be an example and perhaps force other nations in that region to move in the same direction."

LOL, I can see it now:
"You veel like this democracy ve're givink you whether you like eet or not!"

If it come's down to war and toppling Sadaam from power, I'll bet we won't be seeing any free elections for a long, long time in Iraq. We'll just prop up a dictator to do our bidding, after all our government doesn't really care about democracy and freedom for others. We won't be seeing free elections in Afghanistan either.
Reminds me when Kirkpatrick gave a gift to Pinochet because he was "pro democracy and freedom" (the irony that his military junta overthrew their democratically elected Salvadore Allende and Pinochet was a ruthless dictator). Former president Bush did the same to Ferdinand Marcos (well after Marcos declared martial law).
Somoza. Bautista (just to name a couple more). Yep, we have a good track record on supporting democracy

Hortlund · « **Reply #68 on:** January 24, 2003, 06:02:43 AM »

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Hortlund do u really want to compare Saddam Hussein with Adolf Hitler?

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Yes, I think it is a ggod comparrisson. But I would also like to compare Saddam to Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Kim Jong Il (the list can be made long). Lets just say that Saddam fits into the "insane dictator, ready willing and able to kill millions for whatever reason"-category.

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Do u really think that if Hitler would have been killed the WWI could have been prevented - maybe, maybe not?

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You must mean ww2. My answer would be this: I dont think that killing Hitler would have prevented ww2. I think the root causes of ww2 can be found in the Versaille treaty combined with the growth of communism causing civil unrest all over Europe. BUT I think that if Hitler had been killed in WWI, then there would not have been any holocaust.

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Do u really think all diplomatic possibilities are used to force Saddam to do what we want to do?

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I dont think the situation can be solved by diplomacy. Mad dictators have a tendency to try to stay in power for as long as they can.

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Do u really think that to annihilate Saddam will solve the problems in that region?

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No...but that is VERY beside the point. I do think that killing Saddam Hussein and removing all weapons of mass destruction from Iraq will solve the problem of having a mad dictator armed with weapons of mass destruction, supporting terrorist organizations, in Iraq.

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Do u really think u can declare war on Iraq and not declare war on North Korea etc. and still be creditable?

Yes. Who said you have to declare war on Iraq and N Korea at the same time? That would only be stupid. One thing at a time. N Korea has proven beyond any reasonable doubt that they too need to be disarmed/stripped of their current leadership. But, since the US cannot do Iraq and N Korea at the same time, N Korea will have to wait.

Eagler · « **Reply #69 on:** January 24, 2003, 06:35:57 AM »

arm chair commanders .. the lot of ya

I'll leave my fate & trust in the hands of the real ones in our military & white house today

they know 1000x more than they inform the media & you

if we fire a single shot, evidence will b given b4 hand which brings everyone together once again

carry on with your useless babble

Duedel · « **Reply #70 on:** January 24, 2003, 06:59:57 AM »

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Originally posted by Eagler
I'll leave my fate & trust in the hands of the real ones in our military & white house today

they know 1000x more than they inform the media & you

Yep, the germans did the same in the 1930's

StSanta · « **Reply #71 on:** January 24, 2003, 08:23:04 AM »

Really?? Europe has no experience in being an "economic superpower" other than through conquest, occupation, and the exploitation by force of defeated populations.

The fact is NO nation, or group of nations, becomes an "economic superpower" without doing business with the United States. And a "United States of Europe" will work only if Germany or France dominates it. What else is new..........

In any case, businessmen in Europe and elsewhere don't share the same stupidity that infects their Socialist governments/politicians.

Quit the pipedreaming, StSanta.............

Whatever you're smoking Cabby, save some for me.

Check the European economy. We have over 300 million people using the same currency. We got some good companies and have reestablished an intelligentsia that rivals the one in the US (which benefitted hugely from WWII).

Our modern economy isn't based on conquest or whatnot, and we have as much economic experience as does the USA. We'll trade with the USA, but if you notice the export/import US vs Europe, you'll notice that the US imports more than it exports to a larger degree than Europe.

Several scholars have pointed out that USAs real enemy isn't Iraq, North Korea or China. Economically, Europe is gaining speed. Militarily we cannot compete with the US and we have no reason to do so.

The US will spend its time in the sun - just like Europe did. Then another nation or part of the world will take over. This cycle has been her since men formed nations. And it's not likely to end. I suggest you take a look at the combined European economy from the early 1900s forward - you'll see that we were badly lagging behind Americans but that the difference is ever narrowing. Combine the economies in the EU, and you have an lready today potent economic adversary.

Sidenote: from US Census Bureau: US trade with western Europe balance (millions of dollars): -79,607.80.

Heh, now send that d00bie around.

Eagler, I hope we'll get that evidence. The US hasn't been very forthcoming with what they have of Iraq - Rummie has gone as far as saying 'the fact that we don't find anything proves that they have it'.

Apply that to any situaion - the fact that no one here has found kiddie pr0n in your posts means that you're a paedophile.
Arm chair commanders? So far I've seen posts debating the wiseness of a war - that has nothing to do with being a ommander and all to do with being a conscientous and dutiful *citizen*.

StSanta · « **Reply #72 on:** January 24, 2003, 11:32:34 AM »

Cool GScholtz! Gonna check out that link right now. I speak Danish and Swedish fluently and understand one of the variants of the Norwegian language (not the new stuff).

Norwegian terrorists. Hm, Grunherz had something in his signature file about that

Udie · « **Reply #73 on:** January 24, 2003, 11:47:37 AM »

Santa, while it may be true that we have a trade imballance in EU's favor, that could change. Piss us off and it's more likely to happen

Ever heard the saying "the customer is always right"?

Vermillion · « **Reply #74 on:** January 24, 2003, 12:00:31 PM »

StSanta, this is just opinon so take it with a grain of salt.

But to think that the EU is a stable homogenous "country" is ludicrous. And while they are definitely making steps toward this direction, they are a long long way from it (IMO). At best, its a fragile economic federation.

And for some of the others to assume that Russia itself will roll over, join the EU, and then actually subject themselves to the power of the "European Community" is even a wilder idea.

There is just too much bad history there between the countries especially Germany and France (watch their constant jockeying for power now, it will get worse). And the Brits don't seem too thrilled with the EU in the first place, let alone when push comes to shove.

Yes, I'm not even going to mention all the small countries with ancestral vendettas, and the escalating "balkanization" of parts of Europe. Where every seperate nut job wants his own little ethnically based country.

The developing economic powers of the 21st century is not the EU. Its China and India. The two largest countries in the world, the largest populations, and the fastest growing economies in the world. And they play to win at all costs.