I miss the huge buff raids

[LePaul]

I miss seeing some of the Buff pilots.  I know Sunchasr and a few others have hung it up for a while, hoping the strat element comes back.

Lazs, a typical moronic post.  You musta been the kid with $4 worth of quarters sitting on the "Asteroids" machine    

Its pretty pointless to buff anything when the BIG, MIGHTY C-47 can outhaul all of the free worlds cargo fleets and rebuild a devestated airbase in 1 mighty air drop.  Can you say "Quake Power Up"?

Dunno why HTC even keeps the bombers in the aircraft list at this point <shrug>  Congrats, Laz got his wish, the buff guys dont fly anymore.  It was stupid enough as it was with craters doing no damage to vehicles/aircraft taxing or driving  into them.  I guess in hindsight, it was only a matter of time before our bombs became totally ineffective.

Yup, I'm burnt out    

Which way to the BUFF Counseling Room?    

[ 01-09-2002: Message edited by: LePaul ]

[Beefcake]

Did anyone call me?


<looks around>


No?


Ok, just thought I heard my voice.

[moose]

all decent responses

i guess it just seemed to mean more back then

i must be getting old

[Tac]

Yes, strat targets should not be resupplied at all, either by AI trains or by player goons.

Protect them or lose it. I'd like to have the 1.07 city/hq , but with the 1.08 field/town/resupply system (but city and hq and factories not resuppliable).

[Saintaw]

I know what Moose is talking about, the last such raid I had the chance to cripple was led by CavemanJ B17 Meister himself...

I miss those too!

[K West]

"I guess in hindsight, it was only a matter of time before our bombs became totally ineffective."

 Nope. What became ineffective was solo buffing without skill or fore thought.

 Westy

[LePaul]

Originally posted by O'Westy:
"I guess in hindsight, it was only a matter of time before our bombs became totally ineffective."

 Nope. What became ineffective was solo buffing without skill or fore thought.

 Westy

Why not attack the ISSUE and not the poster, eh Westy?  And who are you to assess what skill I do or do not have?  Oh I forgot, your a pompous ass.  Pardon me, forgot.

BTW:  I seldom flew alone, and usually had 2 or 3 along with me...those raids were awesome...didn't always make it TO targert, or back FROM target, but there was no doubt if we did, the base would be dead...for more than 2 minutes, too.

[ 01-09-2002: Message edited by: LePaul ]

[vatiAH]

Just a follow up on what Hajo said ealier.

The Flying Circus hasn't down a Hq or city raid for some time because of 2 factor:

1) Target is resupplied with in minutes of the strike makeing it a pretty darn big waste of time.

2) The last 2 we did were completly ignored by the enemy except for 1 or 2 fighters.  

It's no fun if no one tries to stop you.
Also, We too limit the altitude of the Bombers to around 25k sometime as high as 27k.  

Vati

[Zippatuh]

I don’t know.  I like the new strat system but it does seem to easy for repairs to come.  One goon repairs the entire HQ which is good if you’re the defender but crap if the attacker.

Yes you can go low and hunt for goons but how much longer does this really keep the radar down?  Not anywhere near the time it was when the city was down then HQ.  I’ve been in a position where the HQ was trashed, the depot next to it down, trains destroyed, but one must have been missed.  It was a smoking ruin for about 10 minutes, then all was good again.  It was a lot of effort for very little reward.

Maybe there should be fewer trains, running at half the schedule, and rebuild times increased for infrastructure targets.  Not to mention increasing the number of supplies the HQ needs to rebuild.  Might even go so far as to highlight the position of trains with a separate color dot.

Zippatuh

[K West]

"Why not attack the ISSUE and not the poster, eh Westy?"

 I did.  

 You're problem is you are not able to discuss this topic without getting all bent out of shape and taking everything as a personal slam. I mean just reread your post that I was replying to.  You're incapable of using facts and gameplay reality to discuss this.  You're post is ripe with whining conjecture and exhagerated speculation besides containing a personal attack on another AH community member.

 Westy

[moose]

Originally posted by LePaul:

Lazs, a typical moronic post.  You musta been the kid with $4 worth of quarters sitting on the "Asteroids" machine    

[ 01-09-2002: Message edited by: LePaul ]

 

Originally posted by LePaul:
 Why not attack the ISSUE and not the poster, eh Westy? And who are you to assess what skill I do or do not have? Oh I forgot, your a pompous ass. Pardon me, forgot.

Hate to call you on this one.

Don't let this degenerate into a flame war. I just wanted my opinion to be heard so that if hitech or pyro do ever think about revisiting the strategic rules, they'll know what side *I* stand on.

If we had nearly as many big buff raids to intercept that were actually dangerous to gameplay, I wouldn't care about if the HQ could be resupplied or not. The reason it was so immersive before was because if you *didn't* stop the buffs, then you were SOL for 30mins - 2.5 hours.

[K West]

Well this must wet your appetite for 1.09.

"What I’m trying to do is balance the [strategic] bomber aspects with the JABO [or fighter-bomber] aspects.  In the end what I want is to incorporate what bombers did well, which was mass area bombing, and not pinpoint bombing.  Today, when you look at the previous strategic system, that was real hard to do.  What were doing is starting to incorporate a lot of targets in a close area, so that I can start doing things like each bomber pilot fly’s four buffs all at once versus just one bomber.  Then that gets enough ordnance load that I can do dispersion bombing techniques.  One guy controlling a force of bombers is much more about game play than about realism.  Obviously no one [person] flew four bombers, but at the same time there was never [just] one bomber that went out by itself.  So it’s a compromise with realism…I want him to control multiple bombers so when he drops a load of ordnance, I can throw in dispersion.  He does hit his target because he has enough ordnance dropping on target to do what real area bombing did."

from:
 http://www.wargamer.com/articles/aces_high_interview_main.asp

  Westy

[Sunchaser]

Hey LePaul, come fly IL2 with me till HTC gets around to 1.09 then we can come back and check it out.

Forget the main though, let them have their super talent requiring arena and we will just milkrun around the CT, if they don't end up calling it something too ridiculous to be seen in.

O'Westy, in your accusation of LePaul of a personal attack on an AH community member, you seem to have forgotten your previous post where you attacked an entire segment.... any solo bomber pilot.... of same and in fact included a pretty good personal attack on LePaul yourself in that paragraph.

And some would consider what you regard as a personal attack, especially if you are talking about what LePaul said to lazs, a simple statement of fact.

[K West]

Sunchaser if you think saying things like "moronic post," "pompous ass" (no problem with that myself as I am but it's still emotional name calling) and "You musta been the kid with $4 worth of quarters sitting on the "Asteroids" machine" the same as  "What became ineffective was solo buffing without skill or fore thought."  then you have the same problem as he does.

 For the FACTs are:

 Buffing does not take much skill; takeoff, use super simplistic bombardier poistion to drop unerring bombs on an unevading stationary target, then auger, die or maybe even land.   Little to no forethought is being used; I better have an scort or a team plan to hit the underlying infrastructure so that the enemy cannot use supplies to restore thier base.   And solo bombers have definately too much of an impact on the gameplay of others. One "bomber" flying  person can end the dogfighting for dozens in a split second. Where as solo dogfighters do NOT have that same ability at all.

 Westy

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[Sunchaser]

LePaul, yer right!