Originally posted by Revvin
True colours showing? my opinion is there for all to see and I do not try to hide it. As far as I'm concerned gypsies are scum and social parasites. People have tried to help them only to see it slung back in their face. They are lower than pond life...don't like it? tough sh*t.
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Revvin you are entitled to your opinion, of course you are. No matter how hateful and poisonous it is, it's still your opinion and you have a right to express it.
You merely reiterate my point that your true colours are showing. You think Gypsies are scum and lower than pond life. Do you reserve those feelings for Gypsies exclusively or are there any other races that provoke this sort of intense hatred and sentiment?
What right did Feron and Barras have to trespass forcibly into Tony Martin's home? they had no right and if they had been good law abiding citizens they would not have been there and it would have mattered not if Tony Martin wandered round his house all day with his shotgun.
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Ferron and Barras had no right to be there. That is not in dispute.
The only thing stopping Martin from wandering around his house with a shotgun was the fact that he had been explicitly forbidden to own or operate one, due to his penchant for opening fire on people. In fact not only was he banned from using a shotgun, but he had never had a licence to own the pump action shotgun he used in the killing. (Pump action shotguns require a differnt licence altogethr.) Martin was also found to have hidden a sawn off shotgun in his garage. Shortened weapons like this are completely outlawed in the UK. Martin, like Barras, demonstrated utter contempt for the law.
Feron and Barras both have a long criminal record and the justice system failed to protect Tony Martin as did the police who after numerous reports by Tony Martin refused to extend their patrols to the small village being plagued by burglary.
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No dispute there. They were burglars, trespassing on his property. Yes, rural policing is in crisis all over the UK. This does not in any way provide grounds for killing people.
In fear for his life he fired a warning shot, sadly it killed a young man
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Wrong. He fired a warning shot from the first floor. That shot did not hit either of them. That was clearly established at the trial. The second and third were discharged on the ground floor; the shots hit Ferron in the crotch and Barras in the back.
Barras was running away.
The warning shot had worked, but Martin then aimed for the boy and shot him in the back, killing him.
but that young man should never have been there but then perhaps it was inevitable considering the criminal background of his family and aquaintances.
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Irrelevant. Fred Barras was a serial offender, a known petty thief, with no convictions for violent crime.
Tony Martin was a man with a history of misbehaviour with guns going back 20 years.
Perhaps it was inevitable that he was going to shoot someone dead, considering his history of poor impulse control with guns, dating back to 1976. His criminal record was longer than Barras' entire life.
Now if you believe that death is an appropriate sentence to be meted out for burglary, and that you also believe that the trial and sentence may be carried out by a deranged man with a criminal record himself using a pump action shotgun then your assertions may have some internal consistency.
Otherwise your argument seems to be predicated on the fact that you think all Gypsies are scum and they deserve to die.
Perhaps you'd like to elucidate your assertion that all Gypsies are scum, maybe you'd even like to expand a little and explain why we even have Gypsies in this country, who they are and where they came from. That would in some way at least help me understand why you have such a violent reaction to them. Or is it a case of you assuming that the actions of a few represent the actions of the whole?
However I suspect that any attempt by you to do so would merely reveal your ignorance about Gypsies, adding further to my opinion of you as someone who is happy to tar an entire race of people with the same brush, based on the actions of a few individuals whose origins, culture and lifestyle is different to your own.
Now if you were a Welshman, do you think it would be reasonable for me to assume that all Welshmen are bigoted misanthropes with a penchant for mass murder?
As it happens all of the Welshmen and Women with whom I have the privilege of friendship are thoughtful and rational; but I wouldn't dream of tarring you with the same brush (if you are indeed Welsh) as you are so patently different to them.
