Reparations

[miko2d]

lazs2: fortunately... this one won't get as far as the 'sue mcdonalds cause yer fat' one.   not near as far.


 Not intended to. It's supposed to be an eternal issue providing job for "race leaders".


capt. apathy: how can you owe money for doing something that was legal at the time.

 That is not a good argument. It may have been legal in England and Colonies to invade african country and kidnap its people into slavery - or hire local thugs to do so - but it was not necessarily legal in that country. On the other hand if slavery was legal in that country and al you did was buy slaves on a market, than a fault lies with that country's legal system.


 miko

[weazel]

Durn it MT!!!!

Don't you-all go a slagging on them thar good ol' boy rednecks who piled into their pick-em up trucks for an old fashioned ni**er hunt.

Them thar rednecks wuz just proviin' the community a service.

It's still not a subject the "genteel folks" around Tulsa like to acknowledge.

Here's something for all the rednecks out there.

* Who gave us the black plague? White guys.

*Who invented PBC, PVC, PBB, and a host of chemicals that are killing all of us?  White men.

*Who has started every war America has ever been in? White men.

*Who is responsible for the programming on FOX? White men.

*Who invented the punch card ballot? A white man.

*Whose idea was it to pollute the world with the internal combustion engine? Whitey, that's who.

*The Holocaust? That guy really gave white people a bad name (that's why we prefer to call him a Nazi and his little helpers Germans).

*The genocide of Native Americans?  White men.

*Slavery? Whitey!

*In 2001, American companies laid off over 700,000 people.  Who ordered the layoffs? White CEOs.

[Saurdaukar]

Whatever weazel... I just wanna know when we get WET - White Entertainment Television.  

[Gunthr]

Slavery? Whitey

tsk tsk Weazel...

Many blacks historically engaged in slavery, as well as other races, and continue to do so today, on the African continent.

[lazs2]

weazle hates fox because they don't tow the line like all the lefty stations.   It is allmost heretic (if liberals can be even considered to be heretics) for sensitive journalist types to step out of line and espouse ideals that aren't marxist.  

weaz... someday you are gonna feel really foolish... you will go around wth a permenant blush.... you should feel foolish right now but fortunately for you, you aren't smart enough yet and you still believe the crap your support group spouts.  

still... you should just agree with me now and save yourself a lot of pain latter on down the road.
lazs

[Dead Man Flying]

Originally posted by Gunthr
Mietla, you assert that there is no legal claim for Reparations whatsoever. I'm no attorney, but I think it could be argued that there are legal precedents for the payment of Reparations...

I'm not a lawyer either, but here's my understanding of it.

The legal precedents established by reparations to Japanese-Americans do not apply in the case of reparations to African-Americans for slavery.  In the former, reparations were paid to the actual victims of unfair incarceration.  In the latter, doubtless every single person who was once a slave has long since died.

This renders the case for reparations moot.  Legal action requires that the individual bringing the case suffers from actual personal injury of some sort, which for Japanese-Americans was possible.  However, none of the plaintiffs in a court case concerning slave reparations can argue that they suffer from injury as a direct result of slavery, and none can lay claim to having been a slave.  This makes the issue of "injury" a lot more nebulous compared to the Japanese-American case.

Reparations may occur nonetheless, but they would likely result from a political/legislative solution rather than a judicial one.

-- Todd/Leviathn

[midnight Target]

Originally posted by Gunthr
Please explain...

For many of the reasons posted here. Who gets the cash? What if you're 1/2 black, or 1/8 black? What about Black men who owned slaves in the 18th century (more than you think). We are too far removed from slavery to consider payment for that sin. OTOH there are sins of a more recent nature that should be explored.

[events]

Here's one guy who says reparations are outrageous.

Every day, hundreds of people sign on to
Jesse Jackson?s insane crusade to loot
millions of hardworking Americans like
you. For the sake of our children and our
country, help me stop Jesse Jackson once
and for all. Please read my letter below.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/1/22/181425.shtml

I am referring to Jackson's outrageous
slavery "reparations" movement - the
absurd idea that thousands of U.S.
corporations should be forced to pay huge
fines to compensate some blacks for
injustices committed 200 years ago by
people long dead!

Not content with the shakedowns he has
already taken from companies such as Pepsi
and Toyota, Jackson is now after trillions in
reparations for slavery money, enough to
bankrupt thousands of companies and
destroy millions of jobs - the last thing we
need in the midst of a full-blown recession.

As crazy as this idea is, scores of
communities and organizations have already
endorsed it - thanks to our liberal media and
politically correct schools. Even the governor
of California says reparations need to be
considered. Frightening!

Events.

[hyena426]

well then,,should the white slaves be paid too then?,,,because back then blacks wernt the only slaves in usa,lol,,chinese,,irish,,french,,english and scottish people were slaves too,,worked on railroads,,and died for the profit of rich people,,should they too get paid?,,,that means they would have to pay allmost everyone in the world<~~because at one time or anothere about every race was a slave,,lol,,back then all you had to be is poor,,and you were a slave,,lol

just people tring to get money that doesnt belong to them anymore,,will england give my family back its land it took from us back in the 1600's?,or germany give back my great great great grampa's land?,,,no,,i dout they would,,,what is gone is gone,,,i beleve any slave still alive should be paid,,,but othere than that,,its bull larky,lol

[Animal]

I believe reparations should only be considered only to those who endured slavery themselves (and not their far ancestors)

[midnight Target]

Wow,,,,,good,,,,point,,,,

[Saurdaukar]

Just had this faxed to me from a buddy in the UK - this is from a local newspaper over there - thought it might apply.  

"A Moments Silence Please"

TODAY, we mourn the passing of an old friend: Common Sense.  He lived a long life, but recently died in the UK.  No one knows how old he was, as his records were lost long ago in bureaucratic red tape, but he devoted his life to service in schools, hospitals, homes, and factories, helping people get jobs done without fanfare or foolishness.

For decades, petty rules, silly laws, and frivolous lawsuits held no power over Common Sense.  He was credited with teaching such valued lessons as knowning when to come out of the rain, why the early bird gets the worm, and that life isnt always fair.  Common sense lived by simple, sound financial policies, reliable parenting strategies and the maxim that its OK to come in second.

He survived new cultural and educational trends, but in recent decades his waning strength proved no match for the ravages of well-intentioned but overbearing regulations.  His health deteriorated when schools, socisl workers and endless succession of quangos implemented zero-tolerance policies.  It declined even further when schools had to get parental consent to give a pupil an asprin but could not inform the parents when a girl was pregnant to wanted an abortion.

Common sense finally lost his will to live when criminals recieved better treatment than victims, and the judiciary stuck its nose in everything.  And when a person too stupid to realise a steaming cup of coffee was hot was later awarded a huge settlement, Common Sense threw in the towel.

Common Sense was preceded in death by his parents, Truth and Trust, his wife, Discretion, his daughter, Responsibility; and his son, Reason.  Not mny attended his funeral because so few realised he was gone.  He is survived by two step-brothers: My Rights and Ima Whiner.  My Rights is now sickened and getting weaker as a succession of government regulations gradually remove such rights as are left, such as the right to a comfortable retirement, but Ima Whiner is going from strength to strength.

[Gunthr]

For many of the reasons posted here. Who gets the cash? What if you're 1/2 black, or 1/8 black? What about Black men who owned slaves in the 18th century (more than you think). We are too far removed from slavery to consider payment for that sin. OTOH there are sins of a more recent nature that should be explored.

Who gets the cash? - In the US, would'nt the cash go to Black Americans?

What if you are 1/2 or 1/8  black? - Wouldn't you get 1/2 or 1/8 the amount a full blooded black person gets?

What about black men who owned slaves? - Well, what about them?

Mt, do you believe that blacks in the USA deserve some form Reparations?

[midnight Target]

Originally posted by Gunthr

Mt, do you believe that blacks in the USA deserve some form Reparations?

Yes, many do, but not for slavery.

(you sure you're not Hortlund?)

[Gunthr]

MT - I'm only trying to understand why you support Affirmative Action but not Reparations...