p38-l Manual from 1943 for ruuke

[crowbaby]

>>Strange, in AH the 38 will always take off by itself with zero stick input once airspeed reaches ~ 120 mph (without ordinance).<<

Only if it's trimmed nose up, in my experience, which is equivalent to back pressure on the stick.
I think AH has modelled this correctly from what i've seen and read. The P38 just doesn't 'fly itself off' the way most taildraggers do.

[Lazer1]

I think i can hold my own in a 38, and hopefully a few others would agree with me  If you come across a 51 pilot like Wldthing, or Rude at 250.. you better hope you can lose another 100mph REAL soon

[F4UDOA]

Actually I have never seen anything that would lead me to believe a P-38 could out turn a P-51.

Here is a transcript of that P-51B vrs P-38J duel that was on the boards some time ago.

The turning circle of the p-51B is smaller than that of the p-38J-5, at all altitudes. It has a far faster rate of aileron roll through all speeds. The p-51B accelerates rapidly away from the p-38J in a dive, after reaching speeds of 325 I.A.S. With both planes in formation at cruising speed in level flight, when full power is applied, the p-38J will pull several hundred feet out in front before the p-51B can reach maximum acceleration and overtake the p-38J. With slight advantage in altitude, the p-51B can jump the p-38J successfully and engage in combat, due to its superior diving and top speed. The p-51B can evade being jumped by the p-38J, if it is seen in time, by dropping the nose and diving away. If the p-38J has built up its speed in a dive and is not seen in time, the p-51B can turn sharply into the p-38J and evade its fire. The p-38J cannot follow the p-51B at high diving speed at altitude, due to its lower limits of allowable diving speeds. At high speed, it is impossible for the p-38J to keep its sights on the p-51B due to the p-51B's rapid rate of aileron roll, allowing it to reverse its direction of turn faster than the p-38J can follow.

[maxtor]

Why flat turn with a pony?  The 38 well outclimbs the 51, wouldn't you want to go vertical instead?

[senna]

I've flown the p-38 alot and my opinion on that p-38 vs p-51:

p-51 you want to energy fight the p-38, using better speed to extend as needed.If the pony keeps chasing the 38s tail, he will probably die. He needs to extend the envelop of the fight and trap the 38.

p-38, you want to get close and TNB the pony. He will out zoom ya on the verticle most of the time. 38 needs to narrow the envelop and stall out the pony.

P-51 has definate advantage unless he makes mistake looses too much E in dicing. Pony dictates the fight because he can extend and get away anytime he wants.

[Lazer1]

Thats also correct maxtor, but only at very low speeds, seeming that pony is pretty good at getting up and over if you engage a vertical above 200mph.

[Widewing]

Originally posted by Ecliptik
Strange, in AH the 38 will always take off by itself with zero stick input once airspeed reaches ~ 120 mph (without ordinance).

Comparing the AH P-38 to the real P-38 is not a good idea. HTC's flight model is not very accurate in many respects. I have had a P-38 veteran (with over 300 combat hours in various P-38 models, H, J and L) try the AH Lightning. He said, paraphrased, "not even close". This same fellow also has a great deal of time in the P-51.

Issues he raised related to flap deployment, compressing below 10k, turn rate, lack of elevator authority, poor acceleration and several others.

I have no confidence that the flight model will ever be corrected. HTC has way too much on their plate to get to this anytime soon.

My regards,

Widewing

[OIO]

"Issues he raised related to flap deployment, compressing below 10k, turn rate, lack of elevator authority, poor acceleration and several others."


Gee that all? heeeheee..

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Originally posted by Widewing
Comparing the AH P-38 to the real P-38 is not a good idea. HTC's flight model is not very accurate in many respects. I have had a P-38 veteran (with over 300 combat hours in various P-38 models, H, J and L) try the AH Lightning. He said, paraphrased, "not even close". This same fellow also has a great deal of time in the P-51.

Issues he raised related to flap deployment, compressing below 10k, turn rate, lack of elevator authority, poor acceleration and several others.

I have no confidence that the flight model will ever be corrected. HTC has way too much on their plate to get to this anytime soon.

My regards,

Widewing

So WW, who was the veteran pilot? Anyone I "know"? I only know two or maybe three who flew H, J, AND L models.

I have to say I never expect to see the P-38 properly modeled anywhere, the P-38 has too many odd characteristics due to the unusual design. I'm not sure any aerodynamic model is capable. Besides the fact the P-38 is too wrapped up in B.S., wive's (or maybe widow's) tales, and a generally convoluted history. A lot of people THINK they know the truth about the P-38, but they couldn't be further FROM the truth.

On the other hand. HTC isn't as bad as as some, even though they are not as good as they could be.

[Esme]

Omigod! I'm in shock! Quick, get me a Scotch! Sim fighter pilots that can read a manual! No, wait; make that a double; sim fighter pilots that can READ!!!

;-)

And I thought only us dedicated buff pilots were happy wading through reams of paper to get us airborne, home and back as safely as possible...

(chuckle...)

Warms my heart, so it does,  makes a pleasant change from the "me grab plane go kill NOW" types...

Esme

[rod367th]

punting for manx

[BUG_EAF322]

just press ''e''