Author Topic: Another @%$^& "PERK THIS" thread (Read 1709 times)

Innominate · « **Reply #45 on:** February 12, 2003, 11:56:24 PM »

bah, The solution isnt to stop people from flying the dweeb rides.

It wont happen. If it does, there will be just a new set of dweeb rides. It is impossible for them not to exist. What needs to be done is, flying planes OTHER than the dweeb rides needs to be encouraged.

First, We already have the perk system in places, which with a few small changes could promote the perk-earning planes a lot more. (And yes, some ENY's need to be adjusted) The problem with the perk system as is, is that earning perks is generally more fun than using them. All of the prop perk planes are a pain in the bellybutton to fly. It's not a reward, you get punished for flying them. The prop perk planes should be a REWARD for earning the perks, NOT a punishment for using a "better" plane. The gangbang tags on them should go. (Excepting the jets/rocket, just the prop planes)

I can't speak for anyone else, but the entire reason I never fly the prop perk planes is that they all are only slightly better than an unperked cousin, and carry the tags which everyone in the area will lock onto.

If using the perk planes were as reward, and not a punishment, they would see more use, and perks would mean more than a general guage of how well your last sortie went.

Second, stats. In the current score system, it doesnt take into account what you fly at all. If you land a 5 kill sortie in an la7, it's just as good in the score system as landing 5 kills in a 109e or p40b.

Third, jabos. Several of the most used fighters are used largely because of thier heavy jabo loadout, which excludes many aircraft that simply cant carry the bombload.
My Jabo Proposal.

Terror · « **Reply #46 on:** February 13, 2003, 12:10:50 AM »

Thrila, there are alot of planes out there that are "almost" planes. Why would a La7 pilot not move to a La5? Or the N1K pilot to the Ki61? P51D drivers would probably move to the P51B, wouldn't you agree? Which comes back to my original statement of more variety.

The N1K -> SpitV ... Sure some would, but it has the one HUGE disadvatage that almost EVERY plane can run from it (Except the Hurri's.) Most people HATE when they are ran from. The N1K has enough speed to stop this from happening....(Its accelleration is outstanding...)

And .5 perks per mission?? That is because they are flying the dweeb rides that have the really LOW ENY value. Take up the F4u-1 and landing 5 perks is MUCH easier (Actually many times landing is optional and you can still earn 5+ perks). And the Hurri2c is one of the best perk earners. I've had 11 and 12 kill runs several times in it for over 25 earned perks!!! So by getting them to fly the higher ENY value planes, you are helping them earn perks.

Innominate: The TEMP is one of the prop planes that really deserves it's perk value. It is a killer second only to the Me262. It has excellent turning capability and is fastest plane up to about 15K.

Terror

Toad · « **Reply #47 on:** February 13, 2003, 12:35:51 AM »

Is it time for us all to sing "Perk 'Em All!" yet?

maxtor · « **Reply #48 on:** February 13, 2003, 08:17:20 AM »

No need to fool with the perks. Just extend the ENY system to scoring, then you will see more diversity.

Terror · « **Reply #49 on:** February 13, 2003, 09:49:32 AM »

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Originally posted by Toad
Is it time for us all to sing "Perk 'Em All!" yet?

Nope, just the "Big Four".

And I do agree the ENY values for all planes need revisited, but I don't think this would change the plane usage much. People that fly these planes are not worried about earning perks, if they were they would be using higher ENY value planes.

Terror

Innominate · « **Reply #50 on:** February 13, 2003, 12:33:32 PM »

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Originally posted by Terror

Innominate: The TEMP is one of the prop planes that really deserves it's perk value. It is a killer second only to the Me262. It has excellent turning capability and is fastest plane up to about 15K.

All of the perk planes deserve thier prices IMO. The problem isnt the price, the problem is what happens when you fly them. None of the prop perk planes have the survivability of the 262 or the 163, which can escape a bad place without much trouble. The prop perks cant do this, and have tags which make everyone who can point thier guns at you do so. To survive in them, you don't just need to be carefull, you need to be downright paranoid.

The P-51D is a far more survivable plane than the F4U-4 which slightly outperforms it. Simply because if you're in an f4u4, people will do anything to kill you. All because of the whole "I got the perk plane!!" attitude.

Perk planes should offer an advantage over the free planes, not a giant disadvantage. Why would someone BUY a plane that is going to be less fun to fly? This is the fundamental problem with perk planes.

DmdNexus · « **Reply #51 on:** February 13, 2003, 12:43:00 PM »

Well I have a secret weapon that increases my K/D ratio....

I have these special scooby-doo boxers which when I wear them doesn't matter which plane I fly, it becomes an uber-plane and I get more kills than when I wear my tighty-whities.

Too all you Perk Whiners!

I'll be damned if my shorts ever get perked!!

Cheers

Damned Nexus

Terror · « **Reply #52 on:** February 13, 2003, 03:45:55 PM »

Does HTC ever post any opinions on perking airplanes? Do they have a "criteria" they use to set perk values and.or ENY values?

Terror

Innominate · « **Reply #53 on:** February 13, 2003, 03:47:45 PM »

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Originally posted by Terror
Does HTC ever post any opinions on perking airplanes? Do they have a "criteria" they use to set perk values and.or ENY values?

I don't think there is a specific criterea, but AFAIK, the p51d is the bar above which a plane will be perked.

Red Tail 444 · « **Reply #54 on:** February 14, 2003, 10:23:09 AM »

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Originally posted by OIO
LA7, spit9 and N1k are good candidates for light perking.

These are the only rides in AH that can B&Z and T&B with almost every other plane and do it damn well. Most of the times they do both at once.. like the n1k, the Turn & Zoom wonder.

Also the fact that it takes very little skill to actually fly these things succesfully (read: get kills, rtb not required) makes them an even better choice for the quake crowds.

The CHOG is a perfect example of such a plane. When it was THE king of the entire arena it was before its FM fix (it was too light).. easy to fly as incredibly well armed. It gets perked lightly and voila! Balance returns to the arena and has been kept out of the hands of the quake hordes ever since.

Yet you look up at the sky now... and its La7's, N1ks and spits being 90% of what you WILL encounter out there, every sortie, guaranteed.

Other planes are "faster" or "turn better" or are "better armed".. but none other is "faster" "turns better" AND is "better armed" than the huge majority of the damned planeset all in one. And this is precisely why the LA7, N1k and Spit9 shine so much & get abused so much.

So yeah, PERK THEM.

2 perks each. Cheap as hell, lets see if the quake hordes can keep upping them if they dont RTB them.

....What He said... ~~No big deal and I say 5-7 perks, and add the typhoon and Dora to that as well. And we'll also notice the HO become less common as well.~~

TheManx · « **Reply #55 on:** February 14, 2003, 01:32:31 PM »

Then of course you'd have to go add the Yak9U and all the late war 109's and 190's. Then there would be room to suggest that the B17 and Lancasters perform a large percent of the bomber sorties, thus should be perked etc....

Red Tail 444 · « **Reply #56 on:** February 14, 2003, 02:31:06 PM »

ManX, it's refreshing to see your humor is not limited to one thread. Do you fear flying a perked ride?
At least you're being consistent. Happy Valentines Day, everyone.

TheManx · « **Reply #57 on:** February 14, 2003, 03:04:25 PM »

Not really red. I fly perked rides now and then, and don't mind losing them when I do. I could fly perked planes for a very long time before having to worry about it much. Having said that, I don't think the current perk system is all that bad or that all players are in the same situation as myself. My statement, no matter how silly it seems is an honest one. Check on B17 stats, and decide for yourself what percent of the kills it holds over other bombers. If you are to equate kills with ridership, then this would definitelly have to be perked more heavily than many of the existing perk fighters.

I don't personally think the B17 should be perked, but I don't think a mid-war plane like the Spit9 should either. I'd perk the La7 and N1k's because I don't fly them, but I think that would be how a lot of people are already saying it should be. Just because I don't like them, see too many of them, or lose to them, dosen't mean it should be perked.

Red Tail 444 · « **Reply #58 on:** February 14, 2003, 04:12:24 PM »

I think we can agree to disagree. I believe, and wouldnt have a problem with all of the aforementioned planes getting perked. I'm pretty new to the game (14 months) but I can also see how it's already going downhill, with the endless HO, fly till you die mentality so rampant inhere. The perk is a penalty earned for not giving a hoot about one's virtual life. With that said, does every plane need to be perked? of course not, but I for one would like to see a little strategy return to the game, and not the senseless furballing, and subsequent trash talking so prevalent in the game today.

~~Signing off.~~

bockko · « **Reply #59 on:** February 14, 2003, 05:57:13 PM »

not to digress redtail, but there really isn't an endless stream of HO's. You can easily avoid them with just a little rudder and aileron. Hordes of nmy is another story, but again, as in real life, you have to pick your fights. Many people fly till they die, or my favorite one to watch, dive bomb a carrier, dying right alongside their eggs. And their is strategy, you just have to fly with the strategic thinkers (not the knowitalls). As for trash talk, it IS bad here but HT has given us squelch...I squelch ch 1 every time I log in.
What I am trying to say is that the game is NOT going downhill, and we don't need any more perking.

But HT should unperk the spit 14...after all, it only has 240 rounds of cannon!

bockk