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Offline Kanth

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« Reply #30 on: February 13, 2003, 09:47:38 AM »
:D

  I would rather err on the side of overestimation(caution) in this case, proof, legitimacy or no.

  It's entirely possible that this man is lying, it's entirely possible that this man doesn't exist or hasn't said these things or that they aren't true.

  But it's also entirely possible that something large and bad can happen here. Will it change the way I live my life (before/if it occurs)? nope, I do require proof for that measure. But I will keep an open mind to it and I think that's the safest way I can play.

 Being mentally prepared for possible danger has never left me in helpless shock when it's failed to occur. :)

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« Reply #31 on: February 13, 2003, 09:51:18 AM »
Dowding, given that:

1. Thousands of Muslim extremists have dedicated themselves to the actual destruction of America...
2. Muslim extremists have studied and attempted to obtain, or actually obtained, nuclear matierial and hardware, as well as other WMD...
3. Muslim extremists have considerable wealth and resources to acomplish their aims...
4. There are certainly Al Queda present in the United States...
5. American borders have never been, and still are not secure...

... the idea is not at all out of the realm of possibility, and it has certainly been of concern to our government.

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What Dowding said in his first post. This "interview" reads like something one would read in a Tom Clancy book. -Oedepus


Oedepus, do you mean like crashing airliners into skyscrapers?
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« Reply #32 on: February 13, 2003, 09:58:44 AM »
Oedipus, what is your evidence that it is fake? Just wondering...
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« Reply #33 on: February 13, 2003, 10:00:42 AM »
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Dowding, given that:

1. Thousands of Muslim extremists have dedicated themselves to the actual destruction of America...
2. Muslim extremists have studied and attempted to obtain, or actually obtained, nuclear matierial and hardware, as well as other WMD...
3. Muslim extremists have considerable wealth and resources to acomplish their aims...
4. There are certainly Al Queda present in the United States...
5. American borders have never been, and still are not secure...

... the idea is not at all out of the realm of possibility, and it has certainly been of concern to our government.


I don't doubt any of that. But how does that validate this 'interview'?
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« Reply #34 on: February 13, 2003, 10:02:46 AM »

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« Reply #35 on: February 13, 2003, 10:04:16 AM »
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A hoax. The faux interview draws heavily from themes found in John Clancy books, such as "The Sum of all Fears" and "The Peacemaker". The writing style and questions posed are nowhere near the quality and integrity of journalism found with true Al-Jazeera reporters. This assumption was verified by Omar Bec, head of Newsgathering & Operations for Al-Jazeera, who dismissed the email as being "totally bogus". He also noted that "had the (interview) taken place, jazeera would not hesitate to air it at all" for the sake of journalistic integrity. It also appears that even the name "Mohammed Al-Asuquf" is a fake, as there is no known person by that name affiliated with Al-Queda.

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« Reply #36 on: February 13, 2003, 10:08:23 AM »
Some of you people need to recalibrate your roadkillometers.  This was about as obvious a hoax as they come.

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« Reply #37 on: February 13, 2003, 10:10:46 AM »
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Comparing the US to an Empire built on subjugation, conquest and slavery might call forth Toad's wrath. ;)


Wrath?

No.

Another History Lesson for those who were too busy playing pocket pool to pay attention in school?

Probably.  :D
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« Reply #38 on: February 13, 2003, 10:13:05 AM »
Ha! How dare you!

I played pocket snooker. It requires bigger balls and a larger cue. :D
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« Reply #39 on: February 13, 2003, 10:17:41 AM »
I'm glad to hear it was a hoax. I strive for objectivity, that is why I asked for some evidence or rationale as to why some automatically wrote it off as a hoax... some specific, quantifiable evidence to support your conclusion, whatever it may have been.

I've been researching Muslim extremists lately, and maybe I've been spending too much time reading about their hatred for the west...
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« Reply #40 on: February 13, 2003, 10:21:10 AM »
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Ha! How dare you!

I played pocket snooker. It requires bigger balls and a larger cue. :D


So you played anyway, despite your serious handicap in the equipment department?







(Sorry, couldn't resist. You left yourself way too open as a target there. Just ribbing ya. )
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« Reply #41 on: February 13, 2003, 10:58:56 AM »
My only regret is that I have but one life to give.
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« Reply #42 on: February 13, 2003, 11:01:17 AM »
wulfie: All they'd need to do to to easily prove the posession of the Russian weapons would be to reveal the ID of the weapons.

 You sorely tempt me to comment on your intelligence....
 If you were a corrupt russian general, wouldn't you had filed off the serial numbers from any weapon system sold on a black market?


AKIron: Terrorism can only be effective when it's source is hidden. Let even one nuke be detonated in the US and we'll likely go after them with a vengence the world has never seen.

 How would a nuclear detonation reveal the identity of the perpetrators?


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« Reply #43 on: February 13, 2003, 11:07:48 AM »
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How would a nuclear detonation reveal the identity of the perpetrators?

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Does it matter? We just blame all the fanatical Muslims and declare jihad.

Didn't they trace the plutonium signature of a bomb to it's source in some movie? Must be possible, right?
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« Reply #44 on: February 13, 2003, 11:19:23 AM »
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some specific, quantifiable evidence to support your conclusion, whatever it may have been.


Well, let's decompose the nonsense, shall we?

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The following interview was conducted by a reporter for the Al-Jazeera network with the third-in-command of the Al Queda organization, Mr. Mohammed Al-Asuquf.


A reporter?  Who?  An interview?  When?  Where?  Isn't Al-Jazeera a television network?  Why then does this piece keep referring to the interview as if it was written in Arabic?  Was it transcribed?  Where's the original video tape?

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Al-Asuquf's background is impressive; a doctorate in physics and masters in international economics.


From where?

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In the interview, he talks of Al Queda's plans with total detachment, with deep knowledge and an unshakeable commitment to his cause.


Riiiiiiiiiight.  So basically a printed interview relays all of this for us.

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This interview was sent to Abel-Bari Atwan, chief editor of Al Quds, an Arabic-language newspaper published in London, but was never printed, due to its highly revealing inflammatory?] contents.


And the name dropping continues for legitmacy's sake.  So the interview was not recorded then?  Oh, and roadkill on the too inflammatory thing.

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A copy of the interview came to Foz-do-Iguacu, and was translated into Portuguese by a university professor in the city's Arab community. This is probably the only existing version of this interview not in Arabic.


And yet here's the interview in English.  Cool!  Wait, doesn't that mean there must be more versions that aren't in Arabic?  Hm.  Oh, well maybe we can ask the professor.  What was his name again?  What university?  Oh, well.

The whole account is so gaping with holes that it screams roadkill.

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