Do the Anti-War Protestors Realize...

[Hortlund]

Originally posted by GScholz

And the link between the Iraqi DEFECTORS and the Iraqi State would be ...?

once again he comes up with sig line material...amazing.

[Hortlund]

I thought I was on your ignore list? What happened?

[Monk]

Originally posted by -dead-
And of course invading Iraq will stop all those evil Saudi Arabian and Egyptian terrorists from crashing US commercial planes into US buildings.

Are do you think if we don't go into Iraq, it will stop.
Hell, this Terror has been going on since at least the mid 80s.

[Toad]

Originally posted by GScholz
What the hell is a "Islamicists"?

And the link between the Iraqi DEFECTORS and the Iraqi State would be ...?

I believe, since the original article puts the word in quotes, that it is the term Mr. Alami used to describe those trained.

The link would be the same as the one between Victor Belenko and the Soviet Union, ie: an excellent intelligence source.

[SirLoin]

I don't see the logic in attacking Iraq.

1: Do they have WMD?...

Yes,and probably a nuke or two.

2:Can Allied forces destroy all WMD and missles before Saddam orders their use?...

No way.Remember Cuba when the USA was considering pre-emptive strikes on the visible missle sites?They woulda got 95% of them which would not have been enough.And little did USA know that Fidel had nukes locked and loaded for launch had the Americans provided air cover and attacked.

If Allies go into Iraq(with or without UN approval),Isreal will be raining SCUD's loaded with Anthrax,Mustard gas and whatever they can cram in.

It's called "Mutually Assured Destruction"(MAD) and has prevented nukes from being used since WW2...In fact,this is what most likely prevented the Allies from finishing off Saddam in Desert Storm.He had WMD back then and with his back against the wall,most certainly would have launched them on Isreal.

Same situation now...invade and the horrors of MAD will very possibly be seen for the first time.

Personally,I beleive it's a bluff by GWB.If he gets the whole world to believe he's going in(including the UN)..which he has...Then the Iraqi's in upper government might feel there is no choice but to get rid of Saddam themselves.

Now that Powell is beating the war drum,I am positive it is sabre rattling to produce change without invasion,destabilisation and massive loss of life....

[Rude]

Yup Sirloin...that's been my theory since the beginning of this party....what's interesting is we have seen a clear picture of who our allies really are.

[Toad]

Originally posted by SirLoin
Now that Powell is beating the war drum,I am positive it is sabre rattling to produce change without invasion,destabilisation and massive loss of life....

1. I hope you are 100% correct.

2. I hope it works.

3. I will probably pull a muscle trying not to bust a gut laughing and bite my tongue in two trying not to say "I told you so" to the "warmongers!" marching crowd if it does work out that way.

Yeah, Rude, that part of the exercise has been valuable as well.

[Duedel]

Originally posted by wulfie
Do the clueless morons that somehow find a way to associate the Democratic society of the United States of America with the fascist government of WW2 era Germany realize what total idiots they look like?

Sry wulfie but u dont live in a democracy. U live in a plutocracy even though it might look like democracy.
So u have to discuss if plutocracy is a kind of fascism - i dont know how to answer this.

[Hortlund]

Originally posted by SirLoin
If Allies go into Iraq(with or without UN approval),Isreal will be raining SCUD's loaded with Anthrax,Mustard gas and whatever they can cram in.

It's called "Mutually Assured Destruction"(MAD) and has prevented nukes from being used since WW2...In fact,this is what most likely prevented the Allies from finishing off Saddam in Desert Storm.He had WMD back then and with his back against the wall,most certainly would have launched them on Isreal.
 

1) No, there is no MAD situation here. Iraq lacks the ability to destroy the US.
2) I doubt Saddam will ever send any kind of wmd to Israel. The primary reason is because he would be killing as many arabs as he would jews. The secondary reason is because he knows the Israelis would retaliate with a nuke in Baghdad.

[straffo]

Too bad he can't bomb stockolm.

[Nashwan]

2) I doubt Saddam will ever send any kind of wmd to Israel. The primary reason is because he would be killing as many arabs as he would jews. The secondary reason is because he knows the Israelis would retaliate with a nuke in Baghdad.

1. Saddam has never worried about killing Arabs before. Saddam will kill anybody and everybody to aid his own survival.

2. An Israeli nuke on Baghdad would gain Sadam the support of the rest of the Arab states, cause huge protest in Western states, and might just save Saddam.

Don't forget his strategy in 1991 was to try to involve Israel, to rally the other Arab states to his side.

Saddam had WMD in 1991, and didn't use them because they would ensure his own death. He isn't likely to use them, or give them to terrorists, unless doing so increases his own chances of survival.

If the US and UK are prepared to stick around and rebuild Iraq, getting rid of Saddam is a good idea. If they aren't, and leave Iraq to the fundamentalists afterwards, it would be better to do nothing.

I am ambivalent about the war, because I don't have faith that the US and UK will put in the required effort (and take the required casualties) post-war.

[lazs2]

I hope some countries secret service is quietly crossing out the pictures of known terrorists and rich supporters from their "big picture book of terrorists"
lazs

[john9001]

with 6 million peace protesters supporting saddam , he will never leave now, he thinks the whole world supports him and hates the USA oil mongers.

[Kick]

with 6 million peace protesters supporting saddam , he will never leave now, he thinks the whole world supports him and hates the USA oil mongers.

...and thus the inevitability of war..sad

[Udie]

with us or with the terrorist.....


 Rude and Toad,  yeah it was nice of the weasels to show us who they are.  One can only hope our government will take the propper action.  I see no reason why any german or frech products should be allowed in our country period. Sorry Rip no spare parts for you, though I'm sure somebody here could machine them.  Hell I'd be for freezing all thier assests and using them to pay off some bills.  And I see no reason why the UN should be in NYC, I think Paris is a much more fitting place for that debating society.