Convince me (part2)

[straffo]

Originally posted by Toad
Surely you aren't using France's failure to acquire other customers as a justification for selling to Saddam?

No, in fact it was a pretty stealth allusion to the fact that we (french & American) have strange taste concerning our customer ...
I see no difference between Ryad and Bagdad .
But the USA say : Saoudia is an ally (allied ?) and Iraq is an enemy and so you can sell weapon to one but not to the other.
Double langage ,I think that using moral arguement to say you shall not sell weapon to Iraq and selling weapon to Saoudia is plain bull-shit (or self-interrest)

Yes, I think it can be much worse.
 


No one is "menacing" you or threatening you. But you undoubtedly understand that relations between France and the US can get much worse. I'm not talking about militarily, I'm talking about diplomatically and economically.

I'm sorry to notice that you're not aware that France and America are at war economicaly since about 1981.

I think you know in your heart that your country has been supplying weapons or at the very least "dual use" items to Saddam.

Have you some knowledge in chemistry ?

If not you would be surprised by the number of dual-purpose product.
For exemple nothing look more close to explosive than a simple fertilizer ...

I think you also know in your heart that Saddam is a dictator of the same type as Hitler.

I'm not on the side of this scumbag.

I'm just trying tos say that GB Jr's crusade will have a shrecked side effect on this planet political stability without any gain for any one (except perhaps democratia for the Iraqi's ... and frankly I'm quite unsure it will happen) .

I think, however, that you prefer not to think about that too much.

Wrong, I would be the 1st to applause the disparition of Sadam (from natural death to a guided weapon or a bullet).

But I'm more affraid of the continus support of some muslim extremist on my own country by one of your closer ally ... the Saoudian.

[straffo]

Nice post Hang it's the very same arguement you used the last time we spoke of this:
"we started the mess but are not accountable"

BS

[Hangtime]

No it ain't straffo.

Never used this before.. found it when I went looking for your obliqe refrence to the OSS and Uncle Ho killing somebody in your family.

What I found turned my stomach. Frenchmen surrendering British, American, Dutch and Allied prisoners to the Japanese.

I despise you for attempting to use your family loss in french indochinca circa WWII as a cause for your stance on issues today.

You sicken me.

[straffo]

yeah it's sick  ...

is using the warm body of your citizen dead the 9/11 smarter ?

If your prefer cooler one you can use those from the 40's

[Habu]

Why argue with straffo? You show him some credible articles proving your points and he says sorry I do not believe that.

I guess that is the French way. Live in denial.

It goes with the arrogance I guess.

[straffo]

As you know Habu I can even argue with some BBS troll-bot.

Btw did any french spit in your breakfast when you were young or is it freudian ?

[Vulcan]

Just pointing out some 'clever foreign policy' stuff from the French straffo.

Some of us won't forget. I despise the greenies myself. I believe Greenpeace is just another corporate parasite.

However, that doesn't excuse the terrorist activities and murder against unarmed civilians France has committed on my nations soil. And everytime France stands up and screams 'morals and ethics' I'll haul one of these pictures onto the BBS.

Its France's right to decline to be part of this war. But calling American's cowboys, comparing Bush with Hitler, well thats just ironic isn't it?

[Batz]

Surrender Straffo

[Toad]

Originally posted by straffo
But the USA say : Saoudia is an ally (allied ?) and Iraq is an enemy and so you can sell weapon to one but not to the other.

Pardon?

I believe it is the UN[/u][/color] that has instructed its member states to restrict sales of weapons AND "dual use" items to Iraq.

The very same UN of which France serves as a permanent Security Council member.

Does it bother you that a permanent member of the Security Council was the first to ignore the embargo? Is the country who's deals with Iraq are viewed as "of greatest concern"?

Fine example, eh?

Straffo: I'm sorry to notice that you're not aware that France and America are at war economicaly since about 1981.

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I'm sorry you are not aware that it can get worse. I'm sorry that you are not aware that it is hurting France more than Amreeka.

Straffo: Have you some knowledge in chemistry ?

If not you would be surprised by the number of dual-purpose product.
For exemple nothing look more close to explosive than a simple fertilizer ...

Yes, I do.

Do you have knowledge of the UN sanctions, embargo and restricted "dual use" items with respect to trading with Iraq.

The world is advised by France that the UN MUST be involved, consulted and agreeable before any action is taken against Iraq.

And then France ignores the UN embargo against Iraq and attempts to sell "dual use" items that are not allowed.

Something of which to be very proud, eh?

Straffo: But I'm more affraid of the continus support of some muslim extremist on my own country by one of your closer ally ... the Saoudian.

Consider this. Perhaps the quickest way to end the Saudi monarchy without outside intervention is by placing a democratic Iraq in their backyard. There are many layers to an onion; we see only the top one.

[Hangtime]

Surrender Straffo

yah know, you'd think he'd know how.

[Toad]

Originally posted by GScholz
As long as the French are following the rules and asking for permission and not trying to smuggle stuff into Iraq  

September 2000 French planes flew to Iraq carrying not only doctors and medical supplies but also business executives and soccer players.

Following the rules?

There's the problem, eh? Surely they wouldn't smuggle stuff to Iraq or try to deceive the UN... surely not.

[Hangtime]

yah.. but were the exectutives evil or were they selling furmage?

yup. stinky cheese.

i'm tellin yah, saddam's a grapefruit. he can wait.

bomb paris.

[Toad]

Come now.

I shouldn't have to point out the part that doesn't fit.

The French and Russians were the first to blatantly ignore the UN embargo rules by flying into Iraq.

Doesn't say much for their regard for the UN resolutions now does it?

[weazel]

What about Unka Dick Cheney?

[Toad]

Nor did I say it was.

I think you're way smarter than you're posting here.

What I said it the French and Russians were the first to ignore the UN rules on the embargo; contacts with Iraq were supposed to be approved by the UN sanctions committee.

As I said, it doesn't say much for their respect with regards to the UN resolutions does it?

It leads to the question of "what else have they chosen to ignore" in my mind.

Then you get to the follow on facts posted above.