Author Topic: Ta152H-1 management? (Read 482 times)

Kweassa · « **on:** February 14, 2003, 02:43:08 PM »

This tour I'm trying out the Ta152H-1 a bit more seriously than past experiences..

The Ta152H-1 has two wing tanks, fwd and aft tank, and also an auxilarry fuel tank. I've heard that it's on-board fuel range is even further than the P-51s.. is this true?

If so, in a typical engagement between two hostile bases about 25~30 miles apart, how much fuel should one take? I'm kind of wondering between 50% and 75%..

I'm used to the short-legged 109s, and I rarely ever take less than 75% fuel usually. Even upping in vulch situations I take about 75%.. and normally 100% with drop tanks..

It seems to me that even with 50% the Ta152 will fly very very long, enough to cover multiple engagements where you lose alt and have to climb back again... but out of habit, I feel a bit worried when I take only 50%, so usually I take 75%.

I know I could try 50% + drop tanks with the Ta, but it seems to me that the climb performance is so much hindered when I take the DTs.. So which fuel load should I select?

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Also, I'm wondering about the fuel tank management. I've heard that draining the wing tanks first will lower the wing loading of the Ta, and make it a bit more resistant to high G maneuvers, and increase maneuverability quite a bit. Is this true? Since I've heard that advice, I've sort of made it a habit to drain the left and right wing tanks first, down to about 20%, and then start draining aft tanks... which tank should I drain first?

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Also, as I've said I'm more used to the Bf109s, which can be flown a lot more aggressively than the 190s. Because of the wing falling apart, I'm quite scared to use the Ta152 in a pure, speedy BnZ method like the sturdy 190s can handle. But I've also noticed that the Ta can put up some good maneuvering fights, and can be flown much more aggressively than the 190s, though not as aggressive as the 109s.. How should I manage the fights in the Ta??

I'd like some words of advice from the experts..

moot · « **Reply #1 on:** February 14, 2003, 03:01:54 PM »

putting 152 between 190 and 109 in terms of stall easiness is right.

The wing tanks are foremost, then the fwd, then aft is rearmost.
Emptying wings helps wing stress, but not as much as you may've been told, try it in H2H or other non critical arena, you will see it's not fragile enough to forbid full on furballs.

fwd/aft CG management is same as other planes, forward to stabilise stall in turns, aft to stabilise nose for better aim on target e.g. shooting at bombers.

Fly it like a heavier but more stable, aerodynamicaly much cleaner but less poweful engined (prolly more because of extra weight) MG-less D9.

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Viper17 · « **Reply #2 on:** February 14, 2003, 03:08:04 PM »

From my experiance the 152's 30mm will tare open any thing but only if your under D-200. Take 50% fuel with a DT. But once your loose that tank dont loiter around. Get your kills and leave. Your tag will have everyone and there mother out to get you. Find a field well away from everyone else and put down there. Well thats my strat.

Batz · « **Reply #3 on:** February 14, 2003, 03:32:13 PM »

Kweassa you never more then 50 gas

i burn wing tanks / aux / aft / fwd.

at 75 you can go a long way.......

25 and dt is good to but dt creates drag and lower your climb rate.

Fire you gun seperate as they have different ballistics.

The thing about fuel management in the 152 and all 190s is the fuel gauge is hidden from quick view. So before going into a fight is a good idea to go back to auto tank management or you may forget and run out at the wrong moment. Or I ended up mapping a key so I can check fuel quick.

If you fly a 109g6/g10 with just 3cm then you now what to do with the 3cm in the 152.

I wish we had the option to not have gas in the wing tanks unless we go to 100 or maybe even 125% fuel.

LLv34_Snefens · « **Reply #4 on:** February 14, 2003, 07:52:38 PM »

Full power endurance with 100% fuel + DT:

Endurances
Ta152H: 62 min + 18 min
109G: 25 min + 18 min
P51D: 53 min + 32 min

No wonder 50% fuel in the 152 seems enough when you are used to 100% in the 109.

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Kweassa · « **Reply #5 on:** February 15, 2003, 02:11:17 PM »

Caramba..!

This Ta can really dive!

Today, in the big fight between 224 and 223 on Trinity, I had upped a Ta152 and flew long sorties to protect 224 from Bishop attacks from the south, while the mainstay went east to 223.

The Bishops upped like 4~5 consecutive sorties from the south, consisting of 4~5 heavy P-51Ds to jabo 224. In more than one occasion the P-51s came in higher than me about 2~3k..

Wow!

The P-51s, being jabo in nature, chose to pass me and go directly to the field to attack it. Even though those P-51s were heavy, I've caught multiple P-51s during their 30~40 degrees dive to the field, even when I started lower than them. They might have throttled back a bit for the dive, but still, the dive performance is impressive!!

Purzel · « **Reply #6 on:** February 19, 2003, 03:45:44 AM »

Hmm, my limited experience with the Ta152:

- Burn wing tanks first, wings wont rip off as easy.
- Do not take more than 50% fuel. Its enough.
- When you are relatively light on fuel, this plane turns much better than most ppl expext!! Much better...
- It dives great.
- Relatively good high-speed handling. But if you stioll have plenty of fuel in the wings you rip them off fast in high speed turns...So burn them first...
- For beeing a perk ride, it is not the best perk-ride, but certainly one of the cheapest... As always with perk rides: use them when you like company

It is relatively fast, and stays so. If in trouble I like to dive a bit to 400 or so mph, then level. Most other planes cant stay at this speed in level flight as long as the Ta. At least thats my impression.

Hope this helps.

Wilbus · « **Reply #7 on:** February 19, 2003, 05:38:11 AM »

50% and DT is best alternative for most fights and flights. There is hardly any difference at all when it comes to climb rate with or without the DT in the TA.

Emptying wing tanks first will increase the durabuilty of the wings but will not increase the turn rate of the plane (as the overall weight per square feet of wing area is still the same).

The stall of the Ta152 is the quickest in AH, very little differnce between controlled flight and spin, even worse then the F4U. At best turn rate it turns pretty good though, just a matter of getting the turn right.

Range is as stated above very good in the TA152, although a bit less internal fuel then in the P51 it lasts longer.

Will write up some more when I get home on friday but my lesson starts now....

maxtor · « **Reply #8 on:** February 19, 2003, 10:08:36 AM »

I have the impression that draining fuel tanks in wings helps roll rate a bit - I dunno bit have have always thought that.

A good trick to see fuel guage in 190s (and some others) is map the "Look Down" key view far forward and up a bit, it will shown you those guages at an easy glance.

SKurj · « **Reply #9 on:** February 19, 2003, 12:02:16 PM »

For a quick glance at the fuel guage, I set my KP#8 key to a low view. This is handy in many planes, including the Jug and all 190's

SKurj