Author Topic: Christianity question. (Read 983 times)

miko2d · « **Reply #15 on:** February 20, 2003, 02:50:20 PM »

It means just that, and even more clearly in other palces - especially if read in original Hebrew. It says quite explicitely to people of Israel - worship me, rather than other gods and I will promote and guard you.

Not "do not worship satan's spawn" or "there are no other gods", but "I am the God of Israel, do not worship others".

miko

SOB · « **Reply #16 on:** February 20, 2003, 02:53:22 PM »

There's a pizza joint in Keizer (keizer is basically to Salem what Canada is to the US) that's called JC's Pizzaria. Do ya think it's owned by THE J.C.?! Perhaps I'll go there and ask tonight and maybe get this whole thing settled over a tasty pie. I'll let y'all know how it turns out!

SOB

Hawklore · « **Reply #17 on:** February 20, 2003, 03:08:52 PM »

Yeah, thats true, didn't realize that, but still everthing else I said is what I belive.

AKIron · « **Reply #18 on:** February 20, 2003, 03:17:13 PM »

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Originally posted by miko2d
It means just that, and even more clearly in other palces - especially if read in original Hebrew. It says quite explicitely to people of Israel - worship me, rather than other gods and I will promote and guard you.

Not "do not worship satan's spawn" or "there are no other gods", but "I am the God of Israel, do not worship others".

miko

OK, so what's your point? Are you suggesting that God acknowledged the actual existence of other gods, equal to himself in power? If so, we'll have to disagree.

Batz · « **Reply #19 on:** February 20, 2003, 03:45:38 PM »

I dont read Hebrew but every aspect of the bible (old and new) have been interpreted. I gave you the explanation from what we were taught.

The word god doesnt necessarily mean the equivalent of the "God".

Others "gods" to whom? God himself? I doudt it.

lord dolf vader · « **Reply #20 on:** February 20, 2003, 04:07:13 PM »

ther egyptians were the first monothesists

http://www.cedarseed.com/air/monoegypt.html

then the zoastrians jews got most of their early stuff from them. then the christians copyed them.

http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/6315/religion/zoro.html

when you read into it you find the mention of the wife of god in hebrew texts ( and i belive the tora ) this is a clear left over from egyptian style (every god figure must have a femail opposite)

http://northernway.org/hgoddess.html

there is really no question that it happend in this way the more you look into it the more it becomes apperent. the similaritys are manyfold.

the whole thing is roadkill in my oppinion but it is interesting to see how modern mind control i.e. religion evolved.

there is nothing original in either jewdaism of christianity unless you count the insanly murderous history of christanity.

never belive a christian they have built in lies they dont even know about.

john9001 · « **Reply #21 on:** February 20, 2003, 04:07:15 PM »

Christians worship idols

but i digress

the ancient word for "god " was plurel not singular, i don't mean there were many gods , but that god was made up of many entities, as in committee.

therefor :: if god is a committee , that explanes why the world is so messed up.

don't tell us what you were taught, that is what someone else thinks, tell us what YOU think.

AKIron · « **Reply #22 on:** February 20, 2003, 04:11:13 PM »

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Originally posted by john9001
Christians worship idols

Christians do all sorts of things that are wrong as do non-christians. Your point? Or are you suggesting that Christianity condones the worship of idols?

lord dolf vader · « **Reply #23 on:** February 20, 2003, 04:12:06 PM »

they are trained not to think to fear it.

took me 20 years to dump all the brainwashing.

john9001 · « **Reply #24 on:** February 20, 2003, 04:16:03 PM »

in their teachings christians say not to worship idols then they fill their churches with statues and pray to the statues ( mary , saints , etc)

( fallen christian)

-ammo- · « **Reply #25 on:** February 20, 2003, 05:05:01 PM »

LDF, you must have received some brain damage while performing that brain dump.

As a Christian, I believe that there is only one true God, that all others are powerless under him.

Arcon · « **Reply #26 on:** February 20, 2003, 06:48:18 PM »

Well said ammo. Spoken from your own view point and with conviction.

I believe in the monotheism of God. For me to suspect or worship other powers would dilute my faith.

I think the idea is simply a means of directing and nututing the "mustard seed" of faith.

Because Faith seems most central.

I will be baptised this Sunday.

God Bless you and keep you.

miko2d · « **Reply #27 on:** February 21, 2003, 07:59:15 AM »

AKIron: OK, so what's your point? Are you suggesting that God acknowledged the actual existence of other gods, equal to himself in power? If so, we'll have to disagree.

Not equal - unless God of Israel chose to punish His people for transgressions of the Covenant, they always prevailed in contests with other peoples and their gods - starting with Moses at faraoh's court. But contests they were.

-ammo-: As a Christian, I believe that there is only one true God, that all others are powerless under him.

Very interesting and relevant turn of a phase. No question who is most powerfull but you do admit existence of "others".
Just to clarity - what do you mean by "one true"? Does that mean the only one we should worship or the only one that exists?

lord dolf vader: the whole thing is roadkill in my oppinion but it is interesting to see how modern mind control i.e. religion evolved.

Most people in all modern societies that claim to be atheistic are harboring irrational "non-materialistic" beliefs.
Very few people I've met/read who claimed to be atheists/materialists really were. Most just claim that their roadkill is completely different and better than others - because they believe so.

miko

straffo · « **Reply #28 on:** February 21, 2003, 08:14:43 AM »

a bit of humour

As Desproges said :

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Le judaïsme est la religion des Juifs, fondée sur la croyance en un Dieu unique, ce qui la distingue de la religion chrétienne, qui s’appuie sur la foi en un seul Dieu, et plus encore de la religion musulmane, résolument monothéiste » ...

Badly translated it give :

The Judaism is the religion of the Jews, founded on the belief in single God, which distinguishes it from the Christian religion, which rely on the faith on only one God, and it fondamentaly distinct from of the Islamic religion, resolutely monotheist

AKIron · « **Reply #29 on:** February 21, 2003, 08:52:48 AM »

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Originally posted by straffo
a bit of humour

As Desproges said :

Badly translated it give :

The Judaism is the religion of the Jews, founded on the belief in single God, which distinguishes it from the Christian religion, which rely on the faith on only one God, and it fondamentaly distinct from of the Islamic religion, resolutely monotheist

You realize that all three religions share a patriarch? Abraham.