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« Reply #15 on: February 23, 2003, 02:09:55 PM »
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Well Tumor, it's words like these; "... several initiatives to advance U.S. national security interests and preserve American leadership." that's scaring Europeans ... and probably most folks around the world.


Well... who should the U.S. propose to advance the national security of?  Seem's fine to me.  Perhaps if certain other countries would take said interests to heart and apply it to themselves (as opposed to stickin thier heads in the sand) perhaps GLOBAL security might be a little easier to achieve.  Personally, I don't give two hoots about ANY other's national security above MY country.
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« Reply #16 on: February 23, 2003, 09:36:31 PM »
Weazel I hope you do realize the more you post these anti-Bush raviings the more I believe Bush is the best choice for the US President.

Why? Because anyone that has a raving lunatic supporter like you cannot be any good for your country.

And I don't follow US Politics :) I'm not a yank.

So please, remember you ravings here are in fact doing Bush more good than you might believe.

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« Reply #17 on: February 23, 2003, 11:09:28 PM »
Korea, 1951, LtGen Matthew Ridgeway:
"Why We Are Here"
   
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EIGHTH UNITED STATES ARMY KOREA (EUSAK)
Office of the Commanding General

21 January 1951

MEMORANDUM FOR: Corps, Division, Separate Brigade or RCT Commanders, and Commanding General, 2nd Logistical Command

SUBJECT:         Why We Are Here

   1. In my brief period of command here I have heard from several sources, chiefly from the members of combat units, the questions, "Why are we here?" "What are we fighting for?"

   2. What follows represents my answers to these questions.

   3. The answer to the first question, "Why are we here?" is simple and conclusive. We are here because of the decisions of the properly constituted authorities of our respective governments. As the Commander-in-Chief, United Nations Command, General of the Army Douglas MacArthur said publicly yesterday: "This command intends to maintain a military position in Korea just as long as the Statesmen of the United Nations decide we should do so." It is conclusive because the loyalty we give, and expect, precludes any slightest questioning of these orders.

   4. The second question is of much greater significance, and every member of this command is entitled to a full and reasoned answer. Mine follows.

   5. To me the issues are clear. It is not a question of this or that Korean town or village. Real estate is, here, incidental. It is not restricted to the issue of freedom for our South Korean Allies, whose fidelity and valor under the severest stresses of battle we recognize; though that freedom is a symbol of the wider issues, and included among them.

   6. The real issues are whether the power of Western civilization, as God has permitted it to flower in our beloved lands, shall defy and defeat Communism; whether the rule of men who shoot their prisoners, enslave their citizens, and deride the dignity of man, shall displace the rule of those to whom the individual and his individual rights are sacred; whether we are to survive with God's hand to guide and lead us, or to perish in the dead existence of a Godless world.

   7. If these be true, and to me they are, beyond any possibility of challenge, then this has long ceased to be a fight for our Korean Allies alone and for their national survival. It has become, and it continues to be, a fight for our own freedom, for our own survival, in an honorable, independent national existence.

   8. The sacrifices we have made, and those which we shall yet support, are not offered vicariously for others, but in our own direct defense.

   9. In the final analysis, the issue now joined right here in Korea is whether Communism or individual freedom shall prevail, and, make no mistake, whether the next flight of fear-driven people we have just witnessed across the HAN, and continue to witness in other areas, shall be checked and defeated overseas or permitted, step by step, to close in on our own homeland and at some future time, however distant, to engulf our own loved ones in all its misery and dispair[sic].

   10. These are the things for which we fight. Never have members of any military command had a greater challenge than we, or a finer opportunity to show ourselves and our people at their best -- and thus be an honor to the profession of arms, and a credit to those who bred us.

   11. I would like each commander to whom this is addressed, in his own chosen ways of leadership, to convey the foregoing to every single member of his command at the earliest practicable moment.

M. B. Ridgeway
Lieutenant General, United States Army
Commanding




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« Reply #18 on: February 23, 2003, 11:44:12 PM »
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Weazel, President Bush is doing far, far better than Clinton would be doing in these circumstances - just my opinion. There is no one, NO ONE in the Democratic Party today who can provide the leadership that we have gotten from George Bush.



...aside destructing the international relationship with other countries

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« Reply #19 on: February 24, 2003, 02:13:22 AM »
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...aside destructing the international relationship with other countries


by "other countries" do you mean france and iraq ??

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« Reply #20 on: February 24, 2003, 05:08:32 AM »
It's funny how we bash the politicians to make up for our own shortcomings. If the people were deeply involved in the political process, our politicians would be better. But we don't pay attention and become complacent. We have no one to point the finger at but ourselves. Posting at some gaming BB isn't going to change a thing. I hope someone does make a difference, good luck.
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(and I still say he wasn't trying to spell possum!)

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« Reply #21 on: February 24, 2003, 06:06:56 AM »
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...aside destructing the international relationship with other countries - Fishu


 Fishu. I totally disagree. Before this is over, you will see that. We are talking about world politics here ...

I do agree that some international relationships may have suffered long term damage, Chirac, Saddam Hussain and their administrations, and terrorist organisations for example. But life will go on.
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« Reply #22 on: February 24, 2003, 08:37:01 AM »
:rolleyes:  Smells of Weazel

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« Reply #23 on: February 24, 2003, 09:01:35 AM »
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 GepFart?

 
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« Reply #24 on: February 24, 2003, 09:14:50 AM »
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...aside destructing the international relationship with other countries


Kissin the hind end of Europe so that we can call you allies and feel good inside is not what a real ally is in the first place.

I'm glad this shook out as it has....the truth of the matter is that we don't have the friends we thought we did.