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Offline Maverick

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« Reply #15 on: February 24, 2003, 12:24:43 PM »
I'd worry less about an American tax cut in Europe than the boycot of european products by Americans. I've already started mine. :)
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« Reply #16 on: February 24, 2003, 12:35:57 PM »
Btw the people getting the larger tax cut's with the larger incomes have more spending power.

I know that was just said but just being more direct about that.

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Europeans shouldn't have political say in how the US taxes its citizens or runs its economy.



Europeans don't have political say in how the US taxes it's citizens or runs its economy.

  If they don't like being dependant, they need to revise the way they do business with America. Which involves taking responsibility for the way they run their own countries finances..
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« Reply #17 on: February 24, 2003, 01:07:20 PM »
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Europeans don't have political say in how the US taxes it's citizens or runs its economy.

If they don't like being dependant, they need to revise the way they do business with America.

A large proportion of US national debt is held by foreigners, about 45%. That means every US citizen owes around $5000 to foreigners. The US tax cut is not possible without the US government borrowing more abroad.

Like it or not, your tax cut is dependent on sucking in foreign cash to fund it.  The ammount of foreign investment in the US now exceeds the amount of US investments abroad, and the US trade deficit is rising. It all has to be funded by foreign money.

Enjoy your tax cut, you will still be paying the money back for years to come. And to us foreigners, too.

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« Reply #18 on: February 24, 2003, 03:32:33 PM »
dream on.

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It all has to be funded by foreign money.
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« Reply #19 on: February 24, 2003, 04:26:13 PM »
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...That means every US citizen owes around $5000 to foreigners...Enjoy your tax cut, you will still be paying the money back for years to come. And to us foreigners, too...



hehehe, come get it.  




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« Reply #20 on: February 24, 2003, 04:46:38 PM »
Keep on diggin'....

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« Reply #21 on: February 24, 2003, 04:50:52 PM »
But why is there so much Foreign Investment here? Obviously, we need to finance the debt. Why do foreigners find it so attractive?
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« Reply #22 on: February 24, 2003, 04:52:04 PM »
You know, spending more money than your earnings are is usually bad idea in a long run. You're going to pay everything back PLUS some more.

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« Reply #23 on: February 24, 2003, 04:59:39 PM »
we're gonna seize all of France and Germany's assets in this country within a few weeks of the Iraqi invasion.

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« Reply #24 on: February 24, 2003, 05:00:33 PM »
is a old saying .." if you owe the bank $100,000 they own you

                         "if you owe the bank $100,000,000 , you own the bank.

ya'll better treat us nice if you expect to get paid back

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« Reply #25 on: February 24, 2003, 05:01:13 PM »
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But why is there so much Foreign Investment here? Obviously, we need to finance the debt. Why do foreigners find it so attractive?



Because the US does not declare moratoriums on its debt payments or deliberately devaule its currency the way some other countries do.

As far as why America attracts so much private investment, that is a more complicated question.  The main reasons are that the US is a huge market, respects private property, has a (relatively) decent court system for settling business disputes, and has civil service and business regulators that are (relatively again) corruption-free and professional.

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« Reply #26 on: February 24, 2003, 05:04:19 PM »
Toad:
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The US has the largest and most technologically powerful economy in the world, with a per capita GDP of $36,300. In this market-oriented economy, private individuals and business firms make most of the decisions, and the federal and state governments buy needed goods and services predominantly in the private marketplace.
US business firms enjoy considerably greater flexibility than their counterparts in Western Europe and Japan in decisions to expand capital plant, lay off surplus workers, and develop new products. At the same time, they face higher barriers to entry in their rivals' home markets than the barriers to entry of foreign firms in US markets. US firms are at or near the forefront in technological advances, especially in computers and in medical, aerospace, and military equipment, although their advantage has narrowed since the end of World War II. The onrush of technology largely explains the gradual development of a "two-tier labor market" in which those at the bottom lack the education and the professional/technical skills of those at the top and, more and more, fail to get comparable pay raises, health insurance coverage, and other benefits. Since 1975, practically all the gains in household income have gone to the top 20% of households. The years 1994-2000 witnessed solid increases in real output, low inflation rates, and a drop in unemployment to below 5%. The year 2001 witnessed the end of the boom psychology and performance, with output increasing only 0.3% and unemployment and business failures rising substantially. The response to the terrorist attacks of September 11 showed the remarkable resilience of the economy. Moderate recovery is expected in 2002, with the GDP growth rate rising to 2.5% or more. A major short-term problem in first half 2002 was a sharp decline in the stock market, fueled in part by the exposure of dubious accounting practices in some major corporations. Long-term problems include inadequate investment in economic infrastructure, rapidly rising medical and pension costs of an aging population, sizable trade deficits, and stagnation of family income in the lower economic groups.
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Pretty interesting read; Taken from CIA's World Factbook.

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« Reply #27 on: February 24, 2003, 05:16:39 PM »
there is no doubt about this.

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You know, spending more money than your earnings are is usually bad idea in a long run. You're going to pay everything back PLUS some more.
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« Reply #28 on: February 24, 2003, 05:26:21 PM »
got a cite on both sides being in favor of tax cut ?

and not rush.com

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« Reply #29 on: February 24, 2003, 05:33:54 PM »
Staga this chart is in line another chart (from the department of the treasury) that shows the percentage growth of our foreign debt by years from 1993 to 2001.

(it nearly doubled in that timespan of 8 years)

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Keep on diggin'....

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