Author Topic: Tiger...Waste or Paradise? (Read 379 times)

RightF00T · « **on:** February 23, 2003, 10:58:14 PM »

Ok...now I dont usually drive GVs simply for the fact that its usually more pain than reward. Well tonight on the Baltic Map I had a change of heart and was doing some attack work on GVs at A29. After dying in an A20 to a Flakwagon, I think Hey...this is the perfect situation to log some time in a Tiger. So I go to the hanger and choose the German tank famous for its thick armor and near invincibility. 92 AP rounds a must for this type of job. Next I'm rolling to the Knight spawn point checking my views and searching for any unsavory characters until finally I spot a Panzer. I hit the brake and jump to the main gun and pump a few rounds into his frontside. POP!!!! Victory 1 for LftF00T. Hey,, this isnt too bad...maybe I should try a different approach. I think to myself. Jumping back to drivers position I turn and roll up the hill and prepare an ambush for any GVs coming around the corner...until just then A29 is captured. Switching quickly from defense to offense I search for enemy GVs in the area. The sound of a Panzer IV reverberates in the cabin. When I jumped to the main gun I slew it around to the field and lob a few arounds at the VH AA and prepare to kill any GVs coming out. Just then the sound of a approaching GV troubles me. I quickly jump to the pintle gun and search. YES! A panzer is coming from the recently captured town and is heading for the VH to presumably end his sortie. Then the trouble starts.

I fire a bracketing shot from the main gun and get him to turn *away from me. YESS!! Perfect shot at his rear, I exclaim on the squad channel. Honing in his range, I steadily pump the 88mm into his backside receiving several hit sprites...his engine cuts out and he stops. I imagine he is desperately searching for the assailant and reaching for insurance info at this point. But then I notice his turret turning towards me, No problem, I'm in a Tiger....he'll be dead long before he gets a shot off, I grin in folly. POW! 1 more hit sprites...he fires...I laugh. My salivating grin quickly turns to horror and then anger when I am greeted with the freshly clean chalkboard and happy-go-lucky cliboard in the tower. So much for an Invincible Tiger. Can I get any explanations for my death because I'm really curious as to why I just lost 30 hard-to-come-by perks and what I can do in the future. As of now I have one more reason to avoid taking out a ground vehicle.

icemaw · « **Reply #1 on:** February 24, 2003, 12:25:49 AM »

gv damage is random or seems that way to me anyways.

akak · « **Reply #2 on:** February 24, 2003, 12:28:06 AM »

I don't know if it's a bug in the Tiger model but I find if I hit a Tiger where the turret sits on the main body, I can kill it in one or two shots.

ack-ack

Arlo · « **Reply #3 on:** February 24, 2003, 12:29:03 AM »

He probably wasn't the only enemy gunnin for yas. May be a slim chance but something else could have hit you at the same time. Then there's cumulative damage. *ShruG*

Or .. could be ... as you say ... a waste. Don't drive the thing. Especially against Knights.

Blank · « **Reply #4 on:** February 24, 2003, 11:38:23 AM »

also had this, pound the side of a PNZ'er with 88mm AP only to have him hit me once on my front armour and kill me, maybe theres a hole in the TIGR model's mesh like the PNZ'er used to have.

Dont mind as it happens as much to the guys I'm shooting at, as it does to me.

CyranoAH · « **Reply #5 on:** February 24, 2003, 12:24:46 PM »

It has happened to me as well... I have been pinged to death by an Ostwind (sad but true) and several times by a Pzer.

Definitely something is very wrong with the Tiger damage model...

Daniel

maxtor · « **Reply #6 on:** February 24, 2003, 12:50:43 PM »

Tiger still blows up if you drive near some objects. in effect, you get a collision when there is none.

wulfie · « **Reply #7 on:** February 24, 2003, 04:12:46 PM »

The Pz IVHs 75L48 MA is capable of penetrating any armor the Pz VIE (Tiger) has when firing AP type ammunition at under 500 meters range. The lowest chance of a penetration occurs if the Tiger's front turret is hit.

Tigers were super effective for a number of reasons, none of which are really easily recreatable in the MA. Their crews were far better trained and far more experienced than any enemy AFV crews they faced. Their gunsights gave them far, far superior long range gunnery. They were fighting in Russia or the desert, where the combat was initiated at fairly long range. And ~75% of the guns they were facing (until late 1943 on the Eastern front, and mid-late 1944 on the Western front) had inferior penetration when compared to the 75L48 of the Pz IVH. The one big exception - U.S. 3" AT weapons (76L51 or 76L53), found towed or on the M10 GMC, had inferior optics and pre-1944 the standard of ammunition quality was very low.

Their first action was on a forested track near Leningrad, and they were 'surprised' by close range Russian AT gun fire - 3 of 4 had to be abandoned due to being immobilized (the 45mm and 57mm AT guns that were firing at them could not penetrate the Tigers' armor, but they shot tracks and wheel to pieces). The Germans had to sneak back in at night and blow up the Tigers so they couldn't be captured.

In general, *in the AH MA*, your biggest advantage is engaging Pz IVHs at long range - 1000 meters or more. But you have to be good enough at long range gunnery to get a hit after 1 or 2 shots.

Mike/wulfie