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Offline blitz

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« Reply #75 on: March 02, 2003, 11:20:27 AM »
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Please Blitz,
You are, or have become, what you protest against.....hate and arrogance.

Cobra



Soo? How? Did i call people names or their country?
Do i have this revengefull : 'We get your country with economical war' attitude.

I read this Off Topic board for 3years now and i can tell you i disagreed very often with this neoconservsative BS.

Very seldom i took position. I just moved along because i'm here to have some fun with guys from all over the world but the reactions from some guys here when rumpsfeld insulted my country was just enough to wake me up.

I'm bashing your government , not you but for some americans that seems to be the same. Can't help ya then.


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America is threatened by Iraq in no way, it's just plain rediculous

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« Reply #76 on: March 02, 2003, 11:32:42 AM »
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Same for you Blitz. It isn't hatred at all and I think you realize that.

But in your topsy-turvy world where Kim Jong Il is just a poor misunderstood humanitarian leader of a wonderful worker's paradise and the Evil USA is oppressing him and trying to start a war......

BTW, have you noticed you don't have to look very far in Europe to find truly arrogant behavior? Mr. Chirac's recent comments stand out, don't they? But WE'RE the only arrogant ones.  :D

Economic war? No, I don't think so. But do you shop at a store where they curse you, revile you and spit on you every time you walk in the door? Or do you go to the store where they say "Hello my friend!" every time you come in? Natural human reaction, wouldn't you say? No hatred in it....... except possibly on the curse/spit/revile side.

You folks had your say and had your "big moment" chastising the Great Satan Superpower.

Now, the other shoe drops. Maybe we would just rather spend our money where people say "Hello, my friend!"



You know very well how i think about NK government, no need to tell any lies.

Never said Chirac couln'd be arrogant but looks like your government startet that toejam about a year ago.

We hadn't our 'big moment'. we have a hard time watching Bush & Tony startin playin football with the globe.


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« Reply #77 on: March 02, 2003, 11:39:44 AM »
If you had any vision, you'd see what dictators threaten the world, not to mention murdering and oppressing their own populations. NK and Iraq BOTH fit that description.. but you can't seem to see that.

If anyone is playing football with the globe, it's THOSE sort of people. And those that support them openly or through inaction.

And you never have clearly staked out your position with respect to NK and the IAEA/UN Security Council. Something is going to have to happen there. The UN will act, not act or dither around a few more years. Still don't know what YOU think they should do.
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« Reply #78 on: March 02, 2003, 11:41:21 AM »
Well John though my spelling is not great it is much better than you thought process or lack there of.

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« Reply #79 on: March 02, 2003, 11:55:06 AM »
Germany is not threatened by North Korea in any way.

Its rediculous......
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« Reply #80 on: March 02, 2003, 12:04:57 PM »
Alright guys, I can't take it any longer. There is no "e" in ridiculous.

My spelling is far from perfect but that was really getting to me.

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« Reply #81 on: March 02, 2003, 12:10:55 PM »
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Alright guys, I can't take it any longer. There is no "e" in ridiculous.

My spelling is far from perfect but that was really getting to me.

;)
Whew, I thought it was just me.

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« Reply #82 on: March 02, 2003, 12:30:08 PM »
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Originally posted by straffo
It's not an intelligent reponse I know.

But anyone wanting to improve my gene pool and never stopping to bash me and my country can't expect any thing else.


There is a saying in my country. "He who enters the game, must face the consequences of the game."

Meaning, in this case, that since you are one of the few posters in here that actually support Chirac and the current French policy, and you do so alot and very vocal. You will rightfully catch flak for it.

The problem you have Straffo, is that you tend to argue over other things than the actual questions at hand. Thus a discussion regarding French policy towards Iraq, turns into you accusing people of being nazis, or trying to score points on other peoples family tragedies. You will note that no one replies in kind to you. Sure we might say that the French track record when it comes to wars "fought" and wars lost probably aint the best in the history of mankind...but that is something completely different than accusing someone of being a nazi.

You also have a peculiar tendancy of claiming to get upset and post some drivel in some unknown language, or you just put people on your ignore list and brag about it afterwards.

See, it is very hard to take someone like that seriously. It is even harder to take someone like that seriously when he comes sobbing about how mean we are against him because we are thrashing his country.

I can give you numerous examples of you diving into a discussion without anything to say. Instead you just dive into the thread, insult someone for a while, then jump back out while whining over your hurt ego or something.

P a t h e t i c

"He who enters the game, must face the consequences of the game."

If you dont want to get your ego hurt, then stop insulting people, if you dont want to see France getting bashed, then stop defending its policy. It is very simple.

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« Reply #83 on: March 02, 2003, 12:43:26 PM »
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Originally posted by Toad
If you had any vision, you'd see what dictators threaten the world, not to mention murdering and oppressing their own populations. NK and Iraq BOTH fit that description.. but you can't seem to see that..


Good idea to remove them but that's not Americas choice.
It's not Your world, it's our world.

To deal with it we need the United Nations but they can't do much if Mr.Bush & Co spit on them.

' We go to war with Iraq with or without UN '



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« Reply #84 on: March 02, 2003, 12:44:52 PM »
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Alright guys, I can't take it any longer. There is no "e" in ridiculous.

My spelling is far from perfect but that was really getting to me.

;)


 

 Thx Mr. Sheet Medal :D


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« Reply #85 on: March 02, 2003, 12:53:41 PM »
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Good idea to remove them but that's not Americas choice.
It's not Your world, it's our world.

To deal with it we need the United Nations but they can't do much if Mr.Bush & Co spit on them.


But mr Blitz...surely you are aware of the fact that the UN cannot, will not, and is not allowed to interfere in other nations domestic situations.

So in this case that would mean the mad dictators get to stay in power, opress, torture and murder their own citizens, and build whatever hellish weapons they see fit.

Take a look at the UN charter. Chapter I, Art 2 (7)  
Let me quote it for you.

Nothing contained in the present Charter shall authorize the United Nations to intervene in matters which are essentially the domestic jurisdiction of any state or shall require the Members to submit such matters to settlement under the present Charter; but this principle shall not prejudice the application of enforcement measures under Chapter VII.


Meaning that as long as a mad dictator stays within his own borders, he can do whatever he damn well pleases.

So this is your solution to the Iraq and N Korea situation? Do nothing?

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« Reply #86 on: March 02, 2003, 01:17:40 PM »
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Originally posted by blitz
Good idea to remove them but that's not Americas choice.
It's not Your world, it's our world.

To deal with it we need the United Nations but they can't do much if Mr.Bush & Co spit on them.



Again you seek to dodge the issue by blaming the US for the inability of the Security Council to act.

The IAEA has put this matter before the Security Council. You (I think) agree that Kim Jong Il with nukes is a problem for the entire world.

Now let's see how France, Germany, Russia and the rest of the SC deal with NK.

This is NOT a US problem; I think the US is reacting perfectly. We're still sending food but we're not discussing NK demands until they cease the reinstatement of the nuke program the IAEA has proscribed.

So, the US isn't creating this crisis; NK is. Now let's see what the SC does about it.

I am willing to wager that the answer to that is "nothing".
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« Reply #87 on: March 02, 2003, 02:01:15 PM »
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Thx Mr. Sheet Medal :D


Regards Blitz



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You're welcome. And while I'm at it, you probably mean metal rather than medal.
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« Reply #88 on: March 02, 2003, 02:17:52 PM »
Completly wrong Hurl bigtoe ,my hate for you can be traced back to the day you spoke with an outstanding knowledge of the Oradour massacre.

You still didn't explained me how the muder done by the Nazi were less horrible than the murder done by the Soviet.

You still  didn't have explained why it was justifiable to kill child ,woman and elder as a proper retaliation for the werhmacht (I did not write SS, I've  wrote werhmacht).




I didn't say anything when you rejoined our squad but now I'll do my possible to make your return impossible.
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« Reply #89 on: March 02, 2003, 02:29:50 PM »
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Completly wrong Hurl bigtoe ,my hate for you can be traced back to the day you spoke with an outstanding knowledge of the Oradour massacre.

You still didn't explained me how the muder done by the Nazi were less horrible than the murder done by the Soviet.

You still  didn't have explained why it was justifiable to kill child ,woman and elder as a proper retaliation for the werhmacht (I did not write SS, I've  wrote werhmacht).

I didn't say anything when you rejoined our squad but now I'll do my possible to make your return impossible.

Seriously straffo you need to start taking some medication. If you are telling the truth, then you need to seek professional help. To hate someone you've never met, over a discussion on a BBS is not healthy.

Anyway...
How unexpected to see you explode into yet another personal attack...this one on a different theme though. Apparently I didnt react enough when you were calling my dead relatives cowards just because they were raped and shot instead of killed in action?

About the Oradour massacre, I honestly suspect I have read more about that one than you. But on the other hand you are French, so you probably feel you know more about it than me becuase...well...because your French or something.  

But this new line of attacking me is interesting. Maybe you could start by telling me (and indeed everyone else) what I have said that gave you the impression that the Oradour massacre was somehow justified, or when I have ever said that German warcrimes are more acceptable than Soviet warcrimes.

Frankly I think you should blame bablefish or your own language skills, because I know I've never said anything like that.
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