Aircraft graphics incorrect?

[Superfly]

There is no rush.  I just need some solid references.

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John "SUPERFLY" Guytan - Art Director
HiTech Creations
"The Artist Formerly Known As MONKEY"

[Beaz]

Oooh!... good question. Short answer is I don't know. There were many RAF squadrons that flew a mixture of different wing types... Douglas Bader of 242 squadron flew a Spit V with an A wing .303 equiped aircraft while most of his comrades flew the cannon armed version... B wing I guess... I'll have to delve deeper and do a bit of solid research.

Regards

Daren

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Beaz
249 Squadron RAF "Gold Coast"
"With Fists and Heels"
Part of the Tangmere Wing

[Superfly]

<punt>

[czech-]

Well since you've asked I do have a tip for you :-)  Might not be an exactly "British" squadron but it's certainly RAF.  And don't worry about Topcat or Beaz, I'll bully them until they give in, so they won't give you any problem if you choose this one :-)

Here goes:

310th Squadron RAF (NN-)

flew (leaving out Hurri I, and IIB):

Spitfire Mk.IIA      oct41/dec41
Spitfire Mk.VB      nov41/mar44
Spitfire Mk.VC      jul42/mar44
Spitfire HF.Mk.VI   jul43/sep43
 (the high altitude variant)
Spitfire LF.Mk.IXC   jan44/jun44
 (unoficially "Mk.IXB", e.g. Merlin66/C wing)
Spitfire LF.Mk.IXE   jun44/jul44
Spitfire F.Mk.IXC   jul44
 (unoficially "Mk.IXA", e.g. Merlin61,63/C wing)
Spitfire Mk.VB      jul44/sep44
Spitfire F.Mk.IX   aug44/aug45
Spitfire LF.Mk.IXE   since aug45

alternatively 312th RAF (DU-) (again leaving out Hurri Mk.I/IIB)

Spitfire Mk.IIA      oct41/dec41
Spitfire Mk.IIB      nov41/jan42
Spitfire Mk.VB      dec41/feb42
Spitfire Mk.VC      aug42/feb44
Spitfire LF.Mk.IXC   jan44/jul44
 (unoficially "Mk.IXB", e.g. Merlin66/C wing)
Spitfire LF.Mk.IXE   jun44/jul44
Spitfire HF.Mk.IX   jul44/oct44   
 (Merlin70,C wing high alt version)
Spitfire F.Mk.IXC   oct44/aug45
Spitfire LF.Mk.IXE   since aug45

either of these two squads represent almost all the Spit IX variants in production.  I can provide several paint schemes for the different versions, including photos.

You asked for it

Czech 6!

Jakub

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Jakub "czech-" Uchytil
249th Squadron RAF "Gold Coast"
Tangmere Wing

[czech-]

Sorry for posting this twice, the UBB confused me.  Good ole newsgroups

[This message has been edited by czech- (edited 08-10-1999).]

[-floo-]

I know your pain topcat. I for one have NEVER seen correct colors/markings for Luftwaffe aircraft in any flight sim. EAW had some decent colors...but the crosses were wrong..especially on the Me109e4 which displayed the white-outline-only crosses on the wings which weren't used until mid war. Fighter Sqadron didn't have any camoflage at all on the top wings of the Fw190 (but they DID use that cool spiral thingy on the spinner and you could see it turn!  )

Aces Over Europe and Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe.....well I guess theres only so much you can do with 16? bit colors

WB is about the closest to "correct" I've ever seen in a flight sim concerning Luftwaffe colors. I'm really crossing my fingers hoping you guys at HTC do a great job. I've only seen the one pic and it looks pretty good so far  

I'm sure some of you guys will say that the appearence doesn't mean much and that its the flight model that counts. Thats probably true, however, in my mind it won't FEEL like aircraft if it doesn't LOOK like the aircraft

Ok that was pretty long winded of me so I'll shut the hell up now  

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333rd Red Dawgs
JG 5 Eismeer

[Topcat]

Hi czech-

I don't have a problem with a Polish RAF squadron markings being put on the aircraft.  After all, RAF is RAF, and the Polish (and other national squadrons) also had pilots from other nationalities too.  The squadrons had a proud history, and deserve recognition.  Still searching for others, too.

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Topcat
249 Squadron RAF "Gold Coast"
With Fists and Heels
Tangmere Wing

[czech-]

Well, Topcat, sorry to correct you here, but these are both Czechoslovak squadrons.  You know, the Poles weren't the only ones fighting for the RAF during WW2.  I guess your answer gives credit to the 303rd sqdn in WarBirds, I too would love to form a CZ squad but I would be the only pilot there, so
No idea how many Polish squads there were (5?), but in fact there were 2 Czech squadrons already participating in the Battle of Britain (coincidentally just 310 and 312 mentioned in my previous post), with a third one being formed later (313) which together eventually formed the Czechoslovak Fighter Wing.  Not accidentally two out of the first 6 top aces in the battle of France were Czech pilots, too :-)

There was also the 311th Bomber squadron, flying Wellies most of the war, several months proclaimed the best RAF bomb squad.

I have nothing against the Poles, either, but I'd for some strange reasons prefer one of these two :-)  Keep searching, but I have the materials ready upon request.

Czech 6!

Jakub

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Jakub "czech-" Uchytil
249th Squadron RAF "Gold Coast"
Tangmere Wing

[OmarT]

I can fix this whole plane painting problem. Let the user paint their own planes!!!!!

[Thermo]

Ding Hao !

That was that 51B that had the guns jammed and scared off the mighty LW with 1 0.50

Ex-AVG guy....name is on the tip of my tounge...monosyllabic last name...can't quite remember.


JHL

[Dune]

I have to say that letting people design their own planes is a horrible idea.  For one I don't think it's feasible from a programing point of view.  Secondly, while most of us would paint ours in a historical manner, there are those who wouldn't.  And the first time I see any game that lets people fly or even gives people the chance to fly pink planes, I quit that game.  I'm also sure that the staff of AH has better things to do than approve everyone's paintjob  

On having squads put stripes on their planes.  I don't like this idea either.  Once again I don't think you can program it.  If you have 30 planes and 70 squads....how many possible planes is that?  I'm not going to download every squad's stripes which defeats the purpose.  In WB we can already tell who is in OUR OWN squad with the .hls feature.

Once again, the best thing to do is give each plane 2 or 3 skins.  This would mean one download from the site, only a tad longer.  AH could control what skins we would see.  The planes would still look historical and this is the most important thing.

Plus, think about this (going off the number of planes in WB  :  3 skins for the P-51B and 3 for the D model.  3 skins for each of the Spits and Hurris.  3 skins for the Me-109's.  This means that a total of 6 P-51, 20 RAF, and 15 JG squads would have the chance to fly a plane with their squads colors on them!!!!  Isn't this what we are really after?  Consider: P-51D's in the colors of the 350th FS, 487th FS, and the 35th FG (Pacific Theatre).  The B models could represent the 4th FG (Don Gentille Fourthmen?), 357th FG, and the 23rd FG (the ex-A.V.G/Flying Tigers).  And this is just the P-51!  How about RAF Warhawks, VVS Aircobras, RAAF Corsairs...the list is endless.  Almost every squad in the books could fly THEIR plane at some time during the RPS.  Not to mention how much better it would make it for historical scenarios.

IMHO, giving us a couple of different skins would make things sssoooo much more appealing.  Let AH offer the skins in seperate downloads.  Give out one skin (their choice) per plane for the main download.  Then if my squad's plane isn't part of that, but is offered, I can download it.  This way if someone doesn't want 3 F4U's but does want 4 Spitfires, they can have it.

Wow!  What a great idea I just had....(g,d,r)  

BTW, JHL (my initials are JLH hehe) the pilot you're thinking of is Major James Howard.  He had 8.5 victories with the Flying Tigers and 6 with the 354th FG.  He was a Medal of Honor winner.

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487th F.S. "Lil' Bastards"
Flying Tigers

[Topcat]

Hi Czech,

Duh!  Sorry, of course they were both Czech squadrons.  My first reply still stands though - RAF is RAF, and so any of these squadrons would be OK by me.  Do you know of any others which meet the criteria of both the 'b' and the 'e' variants?  If so, IMO you should send the list to Superfly and let him make his own decision.

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Topcat
249 Squadron RAF "Gold Coast"
With Fists and Heels
Tangmere Wing