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Offline Pongo

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« Reply #15 on: March 02, 2003, 03:24:29 PM »
I have never before seen so many people fail to take a base as the Maw does. I respect thier focus and dedication. But when 35 guys cant take a vehicle field from 3 in less then an hour and a half, you have absolutely nothing to brag about. Yes there are some OK maw sticks. Many seem to have finely progressed beyond the fly into a hanger or ever a fuel to kill it. Imagine. Kamakazing a single fuel. But what they do primarily is fly like dweebs.
Like I said. I admire your focus. And I have posted that here. But to brag about it...silly
Is this silly form of game playing what killed AW?

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« Reply #16 on: March 02, 2003, 03:44:13 PM »
Neh ... what killed AirWarrior:

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« Reply #17 on: March 02, 2003, 04:36:56 PM »
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You couldn't *win the war* in Air Warrior, at least not in the sense that you can in Aces High.  Air Warrior had bases that couldn't be captured, so no team could be *run off the map*.
 


Well Elfmiester, much like most of what you say, you're wrong.  There were many times that we ran BZ or AZ out of the arena.  Maybe you don't remember because your were one of the score junkies who realized there rank would go down with the hordes of CZ on the prowl.  Notice I said maybe.  You may even remember the number of times that the arena had to be reset due to CZ having control of the map.  I still remember the whining come from your side begging for a reset.  I say that's winning the war.  Of course that just my opinion.

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I recall when MAW first started in AW. They would hit a base and then when resistance showed up they would move to another base and hit that one. (this was the beginning of their *bad rep*) It was also during this time frame that we saw AW people who had been or were Marines IRL giving the MAWs crap about calling theselves *Marines*.  Later when their numbers grew they would just over whelm you with numbers. (nothing wrong with that, this is a war after all)
 


I doubt you remember when MAW started in AW though I appreciate the idea that we made such an impression that you think you remember when we started.  It's more likely you remember the early periods when we first had an inpact on your life Air Warriors.  As for attacking a base and having no luck then moving on, I'd say most squad do that unless they are dumb or a glutten for punishment.  Was this the beginning of our bad rep?  You make me laugh.  IRL....who the heck is he?  I've never even heard of him.  You are right about overwhelming numbers which is where the bad rep originated.  Of course, that's just my opinion.

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I think (and this is just my opinion) that most of the *hate* directed towards MAWs in AW was the because of the smack on channel one when 50 of them raped you :rolleyes: (kinda like getting jumped in a bar by 10 guys and while you are laying there bleeding one of them gets in your face saying...YEAH!! I KICKED YOUR AZZ!! )


Wrong again.  You're good at this.  The problem on channel one much like in Aces High was from MAW haters.  Same old BS about MAW flies with numbers, you kill one MAW and there's another to shoot you down.  You see MAW members are very proud of their squad.  Our members consider each other like family.  You attack one there's a good chance another will attack you.  I'm referring to on chan 1.  You attack the whole squad as some do on chan 1 then you will have the whole squad attacking you on chan 1.  Now I know I have a few guys that mouth off on chan 1.  But I guarantee you their replies are counter attacks every single time.  You had the nerve to PM me one time with an assinine remark (been waiting to get you back with that one since you used it on me) to which I countered in a negative manner.  You see this is pretty much what happens on chan 1 also known as dweeb chan on my part.  As for the rape...LOL again.. If you are stupid enough to come to the bar of your enemy looking for a fight....LOL again.......out numbered.....LOL....we are going to kick your butt, talk about you and send you home whining.  Of course, that's just my opinion.

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It's also my opinion that BOTH games are sims and as such I've always tryed to survive each mission. (After all real pilots don't auger after bombing thier targets. Kamikaze pilots are the exception, but they only got one auger :p ) The other side of this coin is that each person pays their 14.95/month to play as they wish :)
 


I so admire you for wanting to be like a real pilot.  But like you said, we all pay 14.95 a month to play.  I believe that gives each individual the right to enjoy the game as they please within the rules.  Of course that's just my opinion.


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Like every squad MAW has good guys, jerks, good sticks, bad sticks, and average sticks.


No arguement here.  You got one right.  wtg!!!  Of course, that's just my opinion.

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40Dog...from the perspective of someone who never flew with the MAW, but against them...I have to say this.....It wasn't the fact that MAWs took bases (you guys learned to do this quite well) that earned the ire of your enemies. It was your tactics (thinks like pork 'n auger) and your general attitudes.


I find it kind of interesting you never mentioned the pork n auger until now.  But anyway, you know what I enjoyed most in those early days about the pork n auger as you put it.  One it brought my squad closer together.  If guys were willing to dump their planes for the better of the squad I knew we had something special.  The other was that guys like you who only wanted to take advantage of the newbies upped their planes and no one was there to kill.  Then after you landed you couldn't up there and we popped in and took your base.  Great strategy for a bunch of newbies, eh?  As for attitudes, like I said earlier, 99.9 times out of a 100 MAW was only counter punching.  I will admit though we had a few MAW (and I only remember 2 off hand) that I had to talk to about their attitudes.  But as a whole our guys were professional.  Of course, that's only my opinion.

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As far as banning them from AW....NO WAY!! you guys were far to much fun to kill ;)  Still are :D  


Elfie, as MAW didn't hang around fightertown, I doubt you kill many of us.  I however do remember killing you.  You were just ELF back then right?  Killing you here is a hoot for me too.  Of course, that's just my opinion.

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For some fighting your way up the ranks with a 500-1 k/d ratio is a fun way of competing, who are we to judge them for that? After all..it IS their 14.95 :)  


I must agree.  Of course, that's just my opinion.

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« Reply #18 on: March 02, 2003, 05:48:39 PM »
I dont actually remember any MAW in AW at all....

corse I mainly flew FR but as far as I am concerned I first saw you in AH.

Guess I just overlooked you all...

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« Reply #19 on: March 02, 2003, 06:17:34 PM »
same here.

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I dont actually remember any MAW in AW at all....
 
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« Reply #20 on: March 02, 2003, 06:22:00 PM »
40Dog...

I didn't just fly at FT, although for me that was some great fun.
 
You are correct that sometimes MAWs were just responding on ch1, other times they were the instigators.

I recall only ONE instance where Cz had every base in the arena. (every one that was capturable)  (Only talking about Big Pac), and that was what you guys called Green Millenium :)

Had a riot that night :)

I was -Elf- in AW 40....AH wouldnt let me use the dashes and Elf was taken *shrug

Hordes of Cz 40Dog?? come on...everyone who played AW knows cz didn't have *Hordes*. Cz were under manned in every arena. (every arena I flew in anyways and I flew them all at one time or another except FR was that way)

I flew for the fights in AW, not for score. I did accumlate high scores but it was never a goal of mine. (Well it was once. I was gonna try to end the camp #1 fighter but some 555 guy had 3 weeks vacation and only slept 30 minutes each day hehe)


My original post was just others perceptions of your squad 40Dog. I am not wrong in what I stated. That was how others percieved MAWs and why so many jokes have been made about them. It was not in any way a MAW bashing post. (To a certain degree others perceptions are also mine)

Almost funny you had to get defensive about it though :)

I did notice you have NO comments about any compliments I made in my post....typical :) ok, ok...it was just one :mrgreen:

I recall some sweet fights with you in AW 40MAW :)

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« Last Edit: March 02, 2003, 06:33:46 PM by Elfie »
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In the end you should be thankful for those players like us who switch to try and help keep things even because our willingness to do so, helps a more selfish, I want it my way player, get to fly his latewar uber ride.

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« Reply #21 on: March 02, 2003, 06:54:35 PM »
EVERYONE KNOWS THE ARE THE BEST SQUAD FROM AIR WARRIORS.WHO ARE THESE MAW PEOPLE NEVER HURD OF THEM IN AIR WARRIORS.AND WHAT IS THIS AUGER STUFF DONT AUGER WE FIGHT TILL THE LAST.I THINK I MISSED THE POINT HERE.BY THE WAY TO THE MAWS LOL I DO REMEMBER KILLING A FEW OF YOU

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« Reply #22 on: March 02, 2003, 09:02:50 PM »
knife shut it.......:D

knife u don't remeber your attempt to rope-a-dope a f6f while i was following with the maruader.

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« Reply #23 on: March 03, 2003, 11:03:41 AM »
Main reason I fly with MAW is because it is fun & I have grown to  know several squadies haven been with the squad for several years.

As far as the auger & suicide stuff, I never see it happen & haven't been instructed to. If we are trying to take a base, my goal is to shoot down, deack & vulch as many enemy as possible, then land. Also have never participated in any suicide/pork base operations.

As I stated before, main reason I fly with MAW is because of FUN & Friendship. Some good sticks to wing with. There is also always someone online to wing up with which is nice.

And that BGBMAW, if you think he is obnoxious on BBS & text channels, you ought to hear him on VOX. Funny, funny stuff. That is one of MAW i have had chance to meet & golf with. Have also had pleasure of meeting others. This type of friendship & interaction is why I fly.

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« Reply #24 on: March 03, 2003, 11:25:06 AM »
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I dont actually remember any MAW in AW at all....


Me either, probably because I flew FR after 1996.  But I do know the MAW have saved Knightland from obliteration several times by running amok against the Rooks to open up some bases, then turning against the Bishops and creating a grand conflagration where horde meets horde.  Very impessive to see.

Speaking of AW, I flew that sim for 2 years and never got a positive K/D ratio.  I accomplished a positive K/D in AH in 8 months.  I guess there's something to be said to having a more challenging flight, ballistics, and damage model in a sim.
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« Reply #25 on: March 03, 2003, 11:47:12 AM »
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I dont actually remember any MAW in AW at all....


Me either...

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« Reply #26 on: March 03, 2003, 11:54:10 AM »
Started flying FR when AW moved to Gamestorm. Don't recall the MAWs much, flew Big Pac FR most of the time. Had some fun fights with ARM and Hammerheads in RR tho.

The past is the past. Now I join MAW missions when I can and always have a good time. You are a decent bunch of guys, fun to fly with. MAWs

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« Reply #27 on: March 03, 2003, 01:12:30 PM »
My .02:

I have never flown with the MAW, only against.  Every time I find myself facing one of them, I know there are plenty more nearby looking to fill my ride full of holes.  I posted a bunch of months ago about a fight I had with one member of the MAW.  We were both in P51Bs and the fight, to this day, remains the best dogfight I've had in AH.  It was literally the first time I actually had to get up from my seat after it was done and crack a beer and have a smoke to calm down.  Another fight I remember in particular was when I was in base defense mode.  I was in a SpitV and two guys flying in a nice formation were coming in on my 6.  I turned to engage and they executed great teamwork.  I managed to knock the first one down because he got greedy, but seconds later 40dog nailed me, because I made the same mistake his squaddie did: I got greedy.  There was no banter.  There was no name calling.  There was an exchange of salutes over channel 1, and 40dog offered some suggestions that might have helped me live longer.

I have run into many missions the MAWs have led.  I see a horde of big blue, and I know it's going to be a long fight.  I also know that I had better get a bunch of my countrymen to rally against the MAW to stop their raids.  More times than not I'll fire across the squad channel, "Ok guys, we've got a MAW raid inbound A6.  At least 5 flights coming in hot."

I have seen many missions by the MAW in my year and a half here.  I have yet to see a single occurrence of pork-n-auger.  I've seen that far more times from the infamous Bishop tiffie raids.

As a former Marine, I had no issue with 40dog calling his squad the Marine Air Wing.  This is, after all, a game.  We have many historical squads here: 56th, 357th, etc.  His is just another example of the use of historical names.  Besides, look at his website.  You'll see at least one picture of a squad member wearing dress blues.

I, for one, respect the MAWs and look forward to the opportunity to meet them in the virtual skies.

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« Reply #28 on: March 03, 2003, 09:06:42 PM »
--The variants of the 229 over the years..last few years led by Huck and Teeg, was at LEAST as effective as Maw in bigpac! Green Millenium hapened at least twice..though by the end, aw was no longer fun, as Gamestorm finally figgered out how to piss everyone off and make them play AH
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« Reply #29 on: March 04, 2003, 08:18:38 AM »
yes... there are a lot of you and you think the world of yourselves.... but we allready knew that.
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