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Offline Load

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« on: March 03, 2003, 05:00:25 AM »
Some days ago, a friend of mine asked me to help him with extending moves. I wrote this text for him. He liked it so much that he told me to put it on board. Hope It helps someone. If it helps just 1 guy I am happy.

As you will see, Load doesnt exist in MA. My nick is different  out there.  But the text below works. I swear it.


Well, flying with 1 or 2 at your 6.

First of all...in a 190 you must work to avoid such situation. So if
you find yourself chased by 1 or 2 bogies...you made a mistake before.

The art you must develope to land kills in 190 is like playing
pool....You can be a good player putting all the balls in the table-
holes. But a BETTER player, also he will try to put the balls in a bad location for next move of the other player. Lol Summing up, in a 190,
before any attacking move, you must tulips the new level of dis/advantage you will find yourself AFTER THE MOVE!!. Think 1 step further. You must CALCULATE an internal equation to guess the risks of your move: Some important parts of the equation are:

1. Number and type of enemies and their E state versus your current E status and your SUPOSSED new E status after the move.  Will you lose """"ENERGY""" advantage after killing that low spit?????

2. Number and type of friendlies and their E state versus your E state after the move....Will they be able to clear my six if I get in
troubles after the move?????

3. Direction of attack. Will your attack put yourself in the mouth of the hordes? Or below a La7 who wants revenge? Will you make your attack toward friendly high hordes or friendly base????

4. Importance of your plane to enemies!!. It is very different to be
ignored than to be the 1 to be killed. With patience you could develope
the feeling of know that. mmmm that La7 is climbing and hiding his E
to kill me!!! He is waiting for me to lose energy in a dive attack just to jump onto my throat. When I cap an enemy base with friendlies I usually see that greens die and die and reds breed. So after 10 minutes of capping, I am at high disadvantage over the base. At this moment I know that I am the one to kill, time to run at the mimimum failure.

5. Types of enemies planes. Once you are quite good with those 4 rules and with 190, there are only 2 planes who are really a threat to 190: 109s and La7. The rest of the planes are not a problem even if they are higher than you. Low 109 and la7 can zoom really high and get quickly
to your E level. A high La7 is the most dangerous threat in MA. When you see a La7 recheck 1, 2 3 and 4.

So good/bad move = (Friendly E and n ) - (Enemies E and n) +/- direction of attack) - (how they hate you) - (nº of La7 /109)

The better the chances...the higher the amount of time you can spend FIXATED on one single target in close fighting.


ANYHOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWww:

Once a while you make a mistake: you could even survive with anenemie
at your six....how???? Lets check it in the TA.

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« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2003, 07:00:13 AM »
Nice !

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« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2003, 07:24:19 AM »
Shaw calls it 'situational awareness'.

For me, here are a couple of things you might have added...

Always work top down. Highest first.

Always know which way home is. I see so many guys dive in with no thought to an escape route if they get in trouble.
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« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2003, 07:56:48 AM »
The runstang is dead! Long live the dora!

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Re: Extending
« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2003, 08:11:24 AM »
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Originally posted by Load

...there are only 2 planes who are really a threat to 190: 109s and La7. The rest of the planes are not a problem even if they are higher than you...


Bold statement grasshopper.  On the other hand, yes, please ignore all the high 51’s.  They are of no consequence to you :D.

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« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2003, 08:24:46 AM »
If I fly a 190, its always the 190A8 with the "big gun" load-out of four 20mm and 13mm nose guns.  I WEP from the runway to 15k, then keep climbing on normal power to 20k.  From there, I either engage enemy planes in an HO where my superior firepower usually wins the battle of lethality (except against N1K2s, Typhoons, Me-110s, and Mosquitos with their standard guns or the 109 with the 30mm option or the Yak 9T with its cannon) or I drop down low and behind an unsuspecting target and catch them in their blind spot.  P-47s are about equal in an HO so be sure you fire early and often when going up against them.

When I drop down low and behind a target, if they spot me and start maneuvering, I just let them go.  The 190A8 has the worst turning ability of all of the fighters and bleeds energy very quickly which makes extending from the fight difficult if you are engaged by multiple bandits.  

I call the A8 the ultimate plane for new pilots because, quite frankly, you don't want to try the fancy ACM stuff in it.  In the A8, if you can't get the direct 12 o'clock or 6 o'clock shots, you can still shoot a plane down in a wild-assed snap shot fairly easily.  Those 4 cannons and 2 machine guns throw a lot of lead in a wide area and you can really spray down anything in the zone between your wingtips.  No fancy stickwork necessary.  

The A8 is great for working through a baitball of enemy planes.  You just blow through the cluster and shoot at anything in front of you, then pull up into a gentle climb (with WEP to keep your speed) and then do a gentle turn around and make another run through the enemy beehive.

And the A8 will award you with a lot of perk points - certainly moreso than the Spitfire, N1K2, P-51, and LA-7.

As for defense, there is none.  Either you can outrun your opponent or you can't.  You certainly won't beat them in a turnfight.  Shoot and get out as quickly as possible.

Offline Dead Man Flying

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« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2003, 08:33:24 AM »
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Originally posted by NoBaddy
Always know which way home is. I see so many guys dive in with no thought to an escape route if they get in trouble.


Don't confuse diving in without any thought of an escape route with poor situational awareness.  At least in my case, it represents more a lack of self-preservation than it does a lack of understanding what's going on around me.

I know I'm probably gonna die; I just don't care.

-- Todd/Leviathn

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« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2003, 08:36:56 AM »
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Don't confuse diving in without any thought of an escape route with poor situational awareness.  At least in my case, it represents more a lack of self-preservation than it does a lack of understanding what's going on around me.

I know I'm probably gonna die; I just don't care.

-- Todd/Leviathn


yeah, what the hoser said. i almost never don't see what kills me.
Surrounded by suck and underwhelmed with mediocrity.
I'm always right, it just takes some poepl longer to come to that realization than others.
I'm not perfect, but I am closer to it than you are.
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« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2003, 08:05:34 PM »
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yeah, what the hoser said. i almost never don't see what kills me.


Yup, same here.  I see 'em, I just choose to ignore 'em.  You can always grab another plane but kills are few and far between if you don't go for 'em.  :D