Alright, know I am getting old now.

[Octavius]

Santa, so what happened to your date that ya lost?

It don't matter how old you are or how old you feel if you've got a knock-out

(in any case, I wouldn't know or care... I've got 10 years to go! muhahahaaaa )

[Creamo]

Age?

When you get as old as Toad, my Dad said sex is like shooting pool with a rope. I know, I know, Dripsnores Dad was iron and stone at 89 and a astronaut, but that's my bad gene pool dad calling the shots.

And take it from a schooled drinker, asprin and water helps, but there is nothing like a Mexican Coffee to heal all wounds and restart the process in earnest.

[Habu]

Originally posted by StSanta

Habu, might start swimmng myself again, for the aerobic training. I hate jogging. How long did it take you to get in a decent swimming-state? Me, I'd prolly drown after 8 times back and forth. Which is sort of sad, since I'm a scuba diver. To my defense; haven't been out diving since my dry suit got busted up.

I kept a diary of my progress for the first 2 months. Basically I did 8 the first day, 10 the next, 12 after that and so on till I was doing 30. It is amazing how quickly you will improve each day. Increasing my distance by a 50 (2 lengths) was not difficult.

After I was up to 30 I concentrated on increasing my speed and started swimming on Sunday morning as well as the M-F swims I was doing already. I started increasing my distance by 10 lengths until I was up to 66 which is a mile.

I joined a Triathalon training group in mid January after starting my swimming in November (Nov 6 to be exact).

Now my workouts were like this. Monday mile swim, Tues triathalon group workout 2000m, Wed mile swim, Thurs another triathalon workout, Friday mile swim, Sunday 2000 m workout.

By end of January I was swimming in the fast lane of the Triathalon group, by end of February I did the most lengths in the 15 minute time trial (950 m).

I have an edge on the triathaletes as I swim 6 days a week and they only swim 2. But it still felt great to outswim all those lean and young super athletes. Of course they can run triathalons and I would probably choke after the swim.

I swim from 6 am 6:30 M W and F. Just a simple 30 minute workout.

Right now I take 22 strokes a length and do a flip turn. I repeat my mile swims just over a 1:30 pace per 100 m. I only tell you this to give you an idea of how efficient your stroke is compared to mine. I hope to get my strokes per length down to 20 eventually.

My goals for this year are to swim a 1:30 pace for 2 miles, swim 5:30 for the 400 free, 2:30 for the 200 free, 1:02 for the 100 free and 29 for the 50 free.

[udet]

haha you "lost" your date

[Saintaw]

It's worse when you start worying about the pain you're going to feel tomorrow morning. THAT's geting old

PS: see sig

[Toad]

Originally posted by StSanta

Ain't no advantage to getting older, except getting wiser. And the wiser you get, the more you understand that youth is wasted on the young.

 

The older you get, the more wise my advice to age with grace will be.

[Toad]

Originally posted by Creamo
When you get as old as Toad, my Dad said sex is like shooting pool with a rope.  

Dang, I feel sorry for your Dad! Guess you were born early in his life then?

BTW, I shoot pool with a cue made of white ash, the same wood in a Louisville slugger.

Guess your Dad played with one made of willow?

[Hajo]

About getting older......drinking and sex

Drinking....hell....when you've drank for as long as I have you forget what a hangover is!  So having one is virtualy impossible.


Sex..........Best analogy I find is the very old one that states:


Two Bulls at top of the hill looking down at many Cows.  One Bull is very much younger then the other.

Young Bull:  Let's run down the hill and each do a cow.


Old Bull:  Better still..........let's walk down the hill and do all of them.

Moral to story:  Old age and treachery defeats youth and exuberence always.

[Puke]

StSanta, I was a swimmer and I used to do the SCUBA thing (sold all my equipment 2-yrs back though, seemed I kept seeing the same things and it just got boring.)  Anyway, there is no relation and SCUBA doesn't mean you'll be good at swimming for sport.  For one thing, when you SCUBA you are trying to make easy movements so you don't use up all your oxyge and swimming should be a bit more exerting/tiring.

Habu, do you swim on the clock?  That's the only way I could ever swim.  You know, ten 100's on the minute-thirty and that type of thing.  It's more anaerobic but it's great at building up your strength and increasing your performance.  I hate swimming long distance as a workout but prefer to break it up into 100's, 200's and 250's on the clock where you are pushin hard, come to the wall, have a short break while panting and weazing and then take off again when the clock hits that time.  
Are those times you qoute as goals from a practice or off the blocks in a pool?  If you can do a 1:30 pace for 2-miles, I'm not sure why you can't beat 1-minute for 100-yards.

[Habu]

I have not been swimming off the clock until recently. It is much harder to do 10 50's on a 1 minute say than to do 1000m straight on a 1:30 per hundred pace. A long slower pace is much less taxing.

My long distance times are not off the blocks but my sprint times are. I got them while at a masters swim meet. I swam 5 events in the same meet so some are slower due to fatigue.

I agree I should be breaking a minute but right now I cannot. The best I have done is 1:11 or so. I die on the second length when I go out full. But that was 3 weeks ago. Right now I cannot even do a 50 in under 30 seconds. Funny thing is though I can push off the wall and swim them in 35 seconds no problems. I need to build up some short twitch muscle maybe.

This morning I did 1500 m my usual way with a 300 m easy warm up then some kick sets and some 200's.

After I decided to try 10 50's on a 1 minute pace. I managed 3 before I had to stop. (almost puked again).

I will build up to 10 over the next month. It is all about gradual improvement. When you have mastered the long distance then it is time to work on the anarobic sprints.

When I was a kid I swam :27 for the 50 and :58 for the hundred.

[Puke]

Habu,
Don't get me wrong.  I never liked swimming long distance and thus never really did it so I'm not really sure what makes a good pace, but I think a 1:30 average for the 100 in a 2-mile swim is very good.  I would then figure beating 1-minute in a sprint 100-yards would be easy then, especially from the blocks.  But maybe I'm wrong.  When I was on a team, coach knew not to ever put me in anything more than a 100 or 200 freestyle, or a 200 IM.  Others did the long-distance stuff.

The other week I got all motivated and decided I'd start swimming again.  Well, my plans didn't make it to fruition 'cause work is just killing me.  In fact, since that time, I've only flown once in AH too, so I'm even too busy for that.  Anyway, I read this thread and after posting last I went swimming.  From the wall, my pace is a 35-second 50-yards, but I wasn't pushing the distance any further than that and I needed long breaks between them.  I just don't have the strength, but it was interesting to see that I'm programmed for a faster pace.  I was actually the fastest in the pool (and I'm not sprinting), but everyone else is wooping me in stamina.  I'll get there.  I was mostly dinking around though not pushing it so that I don't hurt anything.  I feel good now though after having actually got into the pool.

Uhmm, and ten 100's on a 1-minute pace is very good, but what was your interval?  I am not sure I ever had that pace in practice, but maybe...it's been a really long time.   (My best was a 52-second 100-yards from the blocks and I was trying to beat 50-seconds way back when I was on a Masters team.)  But I agree with what I think you are saying.  That pushing on the clock is tougher than a constant single long distant swim.  To illustrate with walking, you can walk a very long distance and 1,000 yards is no problem.  But break it up into 100 yard sprints with 30 seconds rest in between and it's a completely different thing.  But I disagree that distance swimming comes first before sprinting.  But that's 'cause I've always hated distance.  Walking doesn't make you stronger, just like swimming a casual pace for a long time doesn't either.  

I think I'm motivated though...I plan to swim again tomorrow night.

[Habu]

That was a typo. It should have read 10 50's on a one minute.

I did 3 of them today in about 35 seconds each but after 3 I was too winded to do any more.

But tomorrow I will do 4.

I swim meters now. In high school the coaches favorite killer workout was 50 50's (yds) on a 50. We did it too.



One thing I have found. It is easier to swim at 6 am than it is at night. If you get up early and go to the pool you have nothing else preventing you from swimming. At night you always have something coming up.

Keep with it. And post your times. I am interested in how you do.

[Puke]

Habu, I will let you know how it goes.  I'm very motivated to get back into swimming right now.  I doubt my times will change for a long time.  What'll happen is that my stamina will increase and I'll be able to maintain my pace for longer the more I practice, but the pace won't increase.  

I've not swum for many years.  Today, I really didn't push things but I was in the water for an hour which was always my usual non-coached workout.  I did attempt five 50's on the minute-fifteen but was only able to three and then the fourth was a 50 breast and then I stopped.  I probably could've done all five, but I really do feel I have to take it easy right now. I have absolutely no muscle anymore and I can tell I have to get back into this slowly or I might pull something.  I do have a pull-bouy around here somewhere and I may bring that next time and alternate with kickboard too.  Anyway, so you know, your talk helped motivate one joystick-potato.

[StSanta]

Santa, so what happened to your date that ya lost?

Just plain embarrasing.

Was at a semi-slow party, nothing much was going on. Then some biker dude came, left and the place took off. It was obvious what had occured and I ain't into that stuff anymore. So I decided I better drink more vodka instead.

Anyway, ended up on the meat market, everything was going fine, my date was getting more and more interesting by the minute. Just not for me all the time, which I felt was a bit frustrating. Heh. They go into this pop techno club place and I tellum I am coming, just gotta get my neighbor from another (much more mature) place.

And in there I run into two ex class mates. We start talking and drinking and one of 'um, a female, she says she had a crush on me back in the days. And you know where this is going by now. I mean, here is a woman showing genuine interest in a drunken but ever more and more smiling vonSanta. Don't even have to try to be charming or anything. Which is good, since I suck at being charming and excel at being an annoying twit with as much sensual radiation as a pregnant yak that is incontinent.

A bit later I try to locate my date (the real one, not the classmate I met). She's gone. Find her friends, they tell me she has gone with some other fellow. So I guess I got dumped. I've learned that when a woman shags another man and is supposed to have shagged you, she is sending a subtle hint. And am really good at picking them up, so I am confident I might possibly be right. So that is what happened Octavius - hence the need to feel old and reused like a diaper.

Fark I sit in isolation for the years I studied, rarely going out. On my first real night out I turn back into a stupid slob with three brain cells; two are fighting over the priviledge to push the third one in its wheelchair. AND my body cannot take it and collapses for a few days afterwards. As if one of the two wasn't bad enough.

Might go out friday again. Am rebuilding a social network (nerds aren't that great for having fun downtown) so I guess I have to go. Think I still can feel the lingering effects of a hangover though, so am not sure what that'd do to my aging and aching body. Am too old for that clubbing toejame now, but that's the only scene available if you need...ehm...you know. It's just sad that one has to resort to such superficial methodologies in the hunt for a mate. But love it or leave it I guess. Heh.

You may now consider me pathetic.

Toad wrote:
The older you get, the more wise my advice to age with grace will be.

ROFL you bastard! Hahah, I reckon yer right Toadie, But maybe I'll take YOU clubbing here. Even your old body will have a hormone surge. We'll SEE about aging gracefully when some woman pushes her bra-less chest into yer face.

Creamo
Mexican coffee? Never heard of that hangover remedy - gimme details. Might save me next weekend

Puke wrote:
StSanta, I was a swimmer and I used to do the SCUBA thing (sold all my equipment 2-yrs back though, seemed I kept seeing the same things and it just got boring.) Anyway, there is no relation and SCUBA doesn't mean you'll be good at swimming for sport. For one thing, when you SCUBA you are trying to make easy movements so you don't use up all your oxyge and swimming should be a bit more exerting/tiring.

Heh well you dinnae continue up the ladder then? I got bored after about 150 dives or so. So started with more advanced forms of diving - multiple bottles and short decompression stops. Then added wreck penetration. So far I am very much still a newbie in that regard and each dive I learn some new little detail. And while the diving bit is routine, it is ALWAYS amusing to be on a new wreck, never knowing what you might find. And there is the sense of 'you're not supposed to be here, there was an accident and this great ship is now hidden away from the world' I like.

I was thinking about swimming to improve my aerobic performance and oxygen absorbtion. In essence to lower my gas consumption while I dive. I never exert myself when diving unless I absolutely must. Have run outta breath underwater before and it is NOT amusing. So swimming would be good for that, no? The old dogs in my club swim a lot and although some weight 30 kgs more than me, they consume the same amount of air. And they are on my case about it .

[Toad]

Originally posted by StSanta
ROFL you bastard! Hahah, I reckon yer right Toadie, But maybe I'll take YOU clubbing here. Even your old body will have a hormone surge. We'll SEE about aging gracefully when some woman pushes her bra-less chest into yer face.
 

You misunderstand, Amigo. I still drink, but rarely in the quantities that I used to consume. I have upgraded the quality of what I drink though. For example, now I drink 4-5 shots of 18 year old MacAllan where before I'd drink a bottle of Cutty Sark.

As for ze women, I am indeed older, but I still remember my study of human anatomy and male/female biology quite well. In fact, it's a lifelong pursuit, a labor of love, so to speak. I believe I can still charm an exhuberant young female. Oh, by the way.... it was in my time at college that young American women first gathered in groups to burn their bras. An EXCELLENT time to attend an institution of higher learning, I assure you. Anyway, I've had those things pointed at me before... so I raised my hands like she said.

Now, a free tip for you when you go clubbing, old timer. When it comes time to order the first round of drinks, you say "I'll get them!" and hustle off to the bartender. You tell him that you want gin and tonic with just a bare splash of gin in the tonic, and that you want your drink always marked with TWO slices of lime (or an olive; that's unusual and works too).  And you tell him that you want it that way ALL night, whenever an order comes from your table AND you want him to keep this information between you and him.

Now, drink all night and be rowdy with your mates and dates. YOU won't be getting plastered but they will and they won't know you aren't. Gin has a distinctive strong smell, in the glass and on your breath. If anyone asks for a sip of your drink, chug it fast and say "I was just going to get another! Let me get you one too! and get them the real thing."

A salute to Harry Moore, the best ops officer I ever had. He easily kept pace drinking with us young bucks till the wee hours.

I never learned his trick until years later when I was out of the service and out fishing with him and he told me.

Harry!