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Offline Krusher

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« on: March 11, 2003, 07:20:12 AM »
On Iraq everyone wants the US to act with the UN's approval. On NK everyone wants the US to go it alone. Russian and China should be major players in NK talks (after all they built NK), but they both dont want anything to do with it.

Anyone want to guess why?

Offline Raubvogel

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« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2003, 07:22:21 AM »
North Korea has nothing to offer and doesn't owe European countries (read France and Germany) large sums of money? Just a guess, honestly don't know.

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« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2003, 07:24:12 AM »
Let's strap Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton to a nuke and send them over to negotiate.

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« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2003, 07:29:09 AM »
'Everyone this...' and 'Everyone that...'.

Is the world really that black and white in your eyes?
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« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2003, 07:44:59 AM »
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'Everyone this...' and 'Everyone that...'.

Is the world really that black and white in your eyes?


everyone was referring to the current members of the security council. Some like Russia and China should have vested stakes in the current problem. Besides being neighbors they helped build and prop up NK for decades. Now it seems they want little to do with their old friend.

but thanks for your insightful answer.

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« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2003, 08:15:32 AM »
Then it's not really quite 'everyone' is it?
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« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2003, 08:17:10 AM »
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Originally posted by Dowding


Is the world really that black and white in your eyes?


Is this your response to everything?

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« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2003, 08:19:31 AM »
Why does it have to be about color? Can't we all just get along?

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« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2003, 08:20:53 AM »
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Is this your response to everything?


'Everything'?

Is the world really that black and white in your eyes?
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« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2003, 08:22:15 AM »
I feel all dizzy now :confused:
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« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2003, 08:29:51 AM »
Simple.

With Iraq, we're going to war so we HAVE to have the approval of the UN Security Council.

With NK, it looks like the NK's are going to great lengths to start a war, so the UN SC doesn't want to have anything to do with it.

See?


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« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2003, 08:32:07 AM »
Question:
Korea looks to be a much bigger threat than Iraq could ever be.
You're going into Korea next (that is not a question :))

Why in that order?
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« Reply #12 on: March 11, 2003, 08:40:04 AM »
I think you are VERY wrong.

We're NOT going into Korea next, in fact I expect a withdrawal from the DMZ and a departure of at least some of our troops in this calendar year.

The IAEA has turned the matter of NK's withdrawal from the NPT over to the UN SC to deal with. That makes me smile.

It's clear that the SC wants the US to be stuck to this tarbaby and doesn't want to get involved.

For the first time in a long time though, the US is staying one step ahead. If ANYTHING is going to get done, the UN SC is actually going to have to take a leadership role in this one.

Won't happen.

So, from my point of view (isolationist) things are working perfectly.

The US will be bringing its troops home out of Korea. That's pretty much what Rumsfeld just said at the Pentagon "town meeting".

The South Koreans that have been demonstrating to get US troops out will get their wish.

The NK's won't be blackmailing us for any more food or treasure.

All sounds pretty good to me.

And if the NK's start selling nuke technology and weapons around the world...well, that's not bad and it's their right to do so, correct? Because if it were bad, the UN SC would do something, correct? That's what they're there for. :D

After all, we'll have Blitz to remind us that

"North Korea is in no way a threat to the world, it's simply ridiculous."
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« Reply #13 on: March 11, 2003, 08:46:52 AM »
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Originally posted by Dowding
'Everyone this...' and 'Everyone that...'.

Is the world really that black and white in your eyes?


All your bases are belong to us.

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« Reply #14 on: March 11, 2003, 08:55:46 AM »
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Originally posted by Raubvogel
North Korea has nothing to offer and doesn't owe European countries (read France and Germany) large sums of money?


Don't forget Russia :)

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