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« Reply #45 on: March 14, 2003, 06:47:36 PM »
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Yet, you ignore the premise for it's use. And you ignore that we went through a several decade long nuclear stand off with Russia without either side setting one off.

I will repeat myself, your argument is as faulty as a Ford Pinto.
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Really?   PHUUI, wow, we where sure lucky, where´nt we?
I mean, just think if, one would have been setting off.

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« Reply #46 on: March 14, 2003, 06:50:38 PM »
That's all you can do now?

That's not even an argument, I guess you ran out of clever "but the US has it too" statements.

Phewie, that's one helluva argument I have widdled you down to!
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« Reply #47 on: March 14, 2003, 06:53:24 PM »
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The real question is: Why did the UN play with their dick's for 12 years, and not do anything about it?

And we did do things about it, but 12 years is enough. Now we are going to do something about it, and you are questioning why we didn't act?

Sweet jebus, the idiocy in those type of statements stun me with dumbfoundedness.
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No, you should ask your self why you didnt act. You would have been in Bagdad before anyone could say "Rump-stick".

I have a theory: Maybe Germany and France was´nt the only ones that provided Iraq with "WMD´S"?

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« Reply #48 on: March 14, 2003, 06:59:28 PM »
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do you guys actually think the WORLD changed cause YOU got attacked 9/11.....do you actually think your the center of the world...what happens too you happens to everyone.....hmmm.....bullchit


yes the world  changed on 9/11, or at least America's attitude changed.  We DO think we are the center of the world.  If the U.S.A. withdrew all of it's financial aid, and the bulk of our trade from the world, and focused on being self sufficent, it would rock the world.  It wouldn't END the world, but things would be pretty messed up.  I for one have much more of a "with us or against us" opinion towards the war on terror.  They started it, we will finish it.  Help us or get out of our way.  When we are finished there will be one less threat in the world.  Do NOT work against us.  That is why you see French bashing right now in the U.S.  We perceive the French trying their best to screw us over at the U.N.  It MAY have some severe consequences down the road to the French.  Again, the U.S. pulling out of trade with the French won't destroy their country, but it doesn't help to piss off the worlds largest global trading partner.

My 2 cents on the article.
Looks like the U.S. should work hard at removing the Islamic source of money (i.e. oil) and force the Arab countries to join the world "reality"  Force their societies to focus on things like "education" and producing goods and services, and thus changing their culture.
Not bad idea.
OR we could bomb 'em into glass.
tough choice

p.s... this regieme change thing has been going on for a while.  The U.S.S.R and the U.S.A. did alot of it over the years.  We are just being more open about it with Iraq.

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« Reply #49 on: March 14, 2003, 07:03:19 PM »
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That's all you can do now?

That's not even an argument, I guess you ran out of clever "but the US has it too" statements.

Phewie, that's one helluva argument I have widdled you down to!
-SW


Now exactly what do you want me to say? I say I trust you to have nukes.

Cold war up my butt. "we nuke the whole world rather then to see it become communistic"-shit.

But I must be stupid, "Glow in the dark" might become handy from time to time.

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« Reply #50 on: March 14, 2003, 07:06:23 PM »
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No, you should ask your self why you didnt act. You would have been in Bagdad before anyone could say "Rump-stick".

I have a theory: Maybe Germany and France was´nt the only ones that provided Iraq with "WMD´S"?

Crabofix


Ah... horseshit. The UN should of acted long ago, it was the military pressure of the US throughout these 12 years that kept the inspectors in Iraq and kept them inspecting.

12 years of keeping our military there just so the UN can keep it's inspectors in there.

We're tired of this roadkill, and now is the time to end it. This WAS the UN's ballpark, they've consistently struck out.

Nice theory by the way, I have a theory too: Germany, France and Russia are opposed to a war with Iraq because they have been secretely funding Saddam and his military for the past 12 years.

We shall soon find out who's theory is correct.
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« Reply #51 on: March 14, 2003, 07:11:00 PM »
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I say I trust you to have nukes.


I highly doubt you meant that sentence in a way other than sarcastic.

Cold war up my butt. "we nuke the whole world rather then to see it become communistic"-shit.

That's so full of BS. But it definitely falls in line with the rest of the tired arguments you have put forth.
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« Reply #52 on: March 14, 2003, 07:11:59 PM »
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I for one have much more of a "with us or against us" opinion towards the war on terror.


Yeah, that's always a good approach. I just wish we had taken that attitude when members of the IRA were getting US visas to get funds from US citizens. Black or white doesn't work, especially not in the world of international politics.

France is covering national interest, $60 billion worth to be exact. The US would do EXACTLY the same given the same size economy. $60 billion is alot of money to France.

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force the Arab countries to join the world "reality" Force their societies to focus on things like "education" and producing goods and services, and thus changing their culture.


Yes, that's exactly what we need, more goods and services. Damn those lazy Arabs! Where is their corporate awareness?

Seriously, while more education would be good, you have to be more specific. Jordan is very liberal particularly when it comes to what women can do. But advocating 'changing their culture' implies riding roughshod over traditions and beliefs - and that is exactly what is at the heart of this problem.

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OR we could bomb 'em into glass.


How very civilized and enlightened. How very tough. Total bollocks also.

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this regieme change thing has been going on for a while. The U.S.S.R and the U.S.A. did alot of it over the years. We are just being more open about it with Iraq.


Hardly something to be proud of. It's entirely because we messed up in the Mid East and then repeatedly backed out set of bad guys against their set of bad guys that this mess has come to fruition.
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« Reply #53 on: March 14, 2003, 07:15:18 PM »
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Nice theory by the way, I have a theory too: Germany, France and Russia are opposed to a war with Iraq because they have been secretely funding Saddam and his military for the past 12 years.

We shall soon find out who's theory is correct.
-SW


I belive that your theory might be very accurate.

But dont tell me that the Invading Us forces Where halted because  a UN security council yelled out:
 "FOr the love of GAAAWD, stop, spare the poor bastard!"
I f thats true, then you guys are plain stupid, and I have to reconcider trusting you playing around with nukes.

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« Reply #54 on: March 14, 2003, 07:21:41 PM »
So now you are questioning why we didn't keep on rolling through Baghdad and crush Saddam and the remnants of his military?

Geez, where would we be today. Oh, that's right. Here, arguing about why the great satan Bosh Sr. took over Iraq from an evil dictator.
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« Reply #55 on: March 14, 2003, 07:32:06 PM »
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So now you are questioning why we didn't keep on rolling through Baghdad and crush Saddam and the remnants of his military?

Geez, where would we be today. Oh, that's right. Here, arguing about why the great satan Bosh Sr. took over Iraq from an evil dictator.
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Do you really think that I have something against USA, just because I question some of your actions?

Now, Mr Ford Pinto, are we done? Or are you gonna answer me why you didnt cruch Iraq when you had the bat swinging?

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« Reply #56 on: March 14, 2003, 07:33:36 PM »
The UN did not allow the oalition armies to depose hussein in 1991.
Many in the world thought that hussien would fall internaly after the defeat, we were wrong.
Many feared, wrongly, that removing hussein would reduce stablity.
The UN has added legitimacy to hussain by giving him all this time.

These are the mistakes we are now willing to correct in light of 911.

 And I must disagree with the assertion that the 911 attacks were not unique and that they only changed things for america as it had not experienced terrorism before. First of all there have been a series of "terror" attack against americans both at home and abroad dating back to the early part of this century. Therey were perpetrated ba variery grops ranfging from anarchits and hippie/communists to right wing fanatics like tim mcveigh and even the KKK.  And then of course the islamits with the 1993 WTC attack, in addition to the overseas targeting of americans for 20 years before. So frankly the USA is no stranger to  terror.  

The difference of 911 was scale and senselessness. Nobody in the world has killed that many people in one fell swoop in any single terror attack - only in wars. They openly commited an act of war on the west. This wasnt terrorism with a group of motley hijackers seeking asylum in cuba, it was mass murder - it was in it's way their best attempt at use of WMD.  We were fortunate only 3000 died, the heroism of rescue workers likely saved 20,000 lives. In other words the 911 attackers were planning on taking 20,000 lives.  That is not terror, that is war.  And it accomplished nothing, it was simply an orgy of hatred and murged to the fanatics. It was their fantasy of destrying the west realized in a comparetively minor human catasrophe compared to what they hoped for and what they were or are preparing for tommorow.

That my friends is why 911 is diffrent, different not just for amreica but for the civilized world.

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« Reply #57 on: March 14, 2003, 07:42:29 PM »
You question our actions, without even having half the story- or even a remote amount of truth to the questions.

Such as "You used nuclear weapons." Yes, we did use them. To prevent millions of lost American lives in a war WE did not start, and WE were brought into by the nation we used the nuclear weapons against. A nation that was not going to surrender unless they were almost wiped from the face of the earth.

That in itself makes your statement "You used nuclear weapons." in response to Iraq having WMDs (in which they used nerve gas just for the sake of killing off Kurds) as ludicrous as saying that the Holocaust never happened.

"Mr Ford Pinto", ah that was a nice one. Sucked donkey balls, but nonetheless atleast you tried.

Why didn't we crush Iraq when we had the chance? Because it wasn't necessary. It was presumed Saddam was contained. He has been contained, but he has vehemently defied the UN in both allowing inspectors in and in destroying his WMDs.

It's been proven time and again, he won't cooperate and has no intention of doing so.

He screwed himself into this situation.

And I'm spent, I am going out to get loaded. You have fun equating Iraq's use and ownership of WMDs to the US's use of nuclear bombs and ownership of them.
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« Reply #58 on: March 14, 2003, 07:58:58 PM »
Ok AKSWUlf, Have a nice time.

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« Reply #59 on: March 14, 2003, 08:32:48 PM »
"The average age of the Infantryman is 19 years. He is a short haired, tight-muscled kid who, under normal circumstances is considered by society as half man, half boy. Not yet dry behind the ears, not old enough to buy a beer, but old enough to die for his country. He never really cared much for work and he would rather wax his own car than wash his father's; but he has never collected unemployment either.

He's a recent High School graduate; he was probably an average student, pursued some form of sport activities, drives a ten year old jalopy, and has a steady girlfriend that either broke up with him when he left, or swears to be waiting when he returns from half a world away.

He listens to rock and roll or hip hop or rap or jazz or swing and 155mm Howitzers. He is 10 or 15 pounds lighter now than when he was at home because he is working or fighting from before dawn to well after dusk.

He has trouble spelling, thus letter writing is a pain for him, but he can field strip a rifle in 30 seconds and reassemble it in less-in the dark.

He can recite to you the nomenclature of a machine gun or grenade launcher and use either one effectively if he must. He digs foxholes and latrines and can apply first aid like a professional. He can march until he is told to stop or stop until he is told to march. He obeys orders instantly and without hesitation, but he is not without spirit or individual dignity.

He is self-sufficient. He has two sets of fatigues: he washes one and wears the other. He keeps his canteens full and his feet dry. He sometimes forgets to brush his teeth, but never to clean his rifle. He can cook his own meals, mend his own clothes, and fix his own hurts. If you're thirsty, he'll share his water with you; if you are hungry, his food.

He'll even split his ammunition with you in the midst of battle when you run low. He has learned to use his hands like weapons and weapons like they were his hands. He can save your life - or take it, because that is his job.

He will often do twice the work of a civilian, draw half the pay and still find ironic humor in it all. He has seen more suffering and death than he should have in his short lifetime. He has stood atop mountains of dead bodies, and helped to create them. He has wept in public and in private, for friends who have fallen in combat and is unashamed. He feels every note of the National Anthem vibrate through his body while at rigid attention, while tempering the burning desire to 'square-away' those around him who haven't bothered to stand, remove their hat, or even stop talking. In an odd twist, day in and day out, far from home, he defends their right to be disrespectful.

Just as did his Father, Grandfather, and Great-grandfather, he is paying the price for our freedom. Beardless or not, he is not a boy. He is the American Fighting Man that has kept this country free for over 200 years. He has asked nothing in return, except our friendship and understanding. Remember him, always, for he has earned our respect and admiration with his blood."