Why US will lose Iraq war

[Rasker]

I would rather say to Germany and France, as an American: thanks to our many friends and supporters in both countries, and we look forward to the time when a government that reflects your views, and elected by the democratic rights of choice that Americans fought and died to help preserve, is back in power.

[BGBMAW]

Rasker.....exactly..here  here...


SirLoin:)


Salute
BiGB
xoxo

[Rino]

Golly, Bush pissed off conservative Euros on this BBS!
      Guess it's a good thing he's not President of the EU, huh?
I guess we'll just have to base all of our foreign policy on whether
it gets a thumbs up from the european AH BBS.

     Rino

[GtoRA2]

Why blitz is a pinhead?

Or maybe Why Blitz is now on my ignore list.

LOL.

[Eaglecz]

Originally posted by GtoRA2
Why blitz is a pinhead?

Or maybe Why Blitz is now on my ignore list.

LOL.

he is on your ignore list, because you dont know what you could say about his points, you have no arguments

small child turn away when fear

[Wlfgng]

lol...

or simply because we ignore the idots so so as not to waste so much time

[blitz]

Originally posted by Widewing
In many people's minds Germany has not yet re-earned the right to chastise any nation about war and morality. Especially those nations upon whom your very existance depended on for nearly 50 years.

Very poor manners.

Playin always the
Nazi-
communist-
appeaser-
hippy-
peacelover-
looser-
froggy-
where is this little unimportant country on the map-?
name calling- card doesn't help you, my friends


Regards Blitz


America is threatened by Iraq in no way, it's just plain ridiculous

[Rasker]

hmm, looking in the dictionary, "multilateral" is not defined as "meeting the approval of the current governments of France AND Germany AND Russia AND China.  Should *any* of these governments disapprove, *see* unilateral."  

[Silat]

Originally posted by blitz
We just differ on political views, no biggy


Regards Blitz


10 is fine by me, at least I'm with the pope

http://www.n-tv.de/3146645.html

You are with the POPE? Hes just another cult leader with a book he uses to make people feel guilty.

                                         

[GtoRA2]

LOL welcome to my ignore list, I will not waste my time on people like you and blitz, you're a waste of my time, and the air we all breathe.

[blitz]

Originally posted by Silat
You are with the POPE? Hes just another cult leader with a book he uses to make people feel guilty.

                                         

Damn you, Anti-Christ



Regards Blitz




America is threatened by Iraq in no way, it's just plain ridiculous

[blitz]

Originally posted by Rino
Golly, Bush pissed off conservative Euros on this BBS!
      Guess it's a good thing he's not President of the EU, huh?
I guess we'll just have to base all of our foreign policy on whether
it gets a thumbs up from the european AH BBS.

     Rino

Nah, only your Kyoto-, International Court DenHaag-, Landmine Protokoll-, 'We go to war with 60 countries'-, politics.



Regards Blitz



America is threatened by Iraq in no way, it's just plain ridiculous

[Puke]

Leviathan,  I never said any president used that power.  But I seem to recall something like this from some college courses many moons ago.  I could be wrong, but I thought that this power is available to the president when granted wartime powers (and I think I could see maybe some problem with a leadership change during the course of war which could actually mean the survival of our country.)  I know it involves being able to declare martial law, that's pretty powerful right there.  Interesting that you bring up FDR and Lincoln, the two most powerful presidents we ever had and I remember their names being mentioned specifically when learning about the wartime powers.  They also died before any re-election too.  Anyway, I may be wrong about that power, though not sure why I have it in my head.  Again though, I never said any president actually held off elections during wartime.  

Anybody?  Anybody know yes or no on this?  Here's a link that goes a little into just how powerful the president can become, but it doesn't mention what I'm talking about.  However, it does illustrate just how powerful he can be and I don't see that forestalling presidential elections until the war/crisis is over is out of bounds:
http://www.sumeria.net/politics/powers.html

[Pepe]

This war is very questionale on morality standarts. At the very least as questionable as no-war, in moral terms.

US government throws international laws. What laws?  UN? UN is not a law body. Plus 1441 resolution does not entitle? why?

US government showed an ugly face to its longtime allies. What allies? You mean France and Germany? I thought it was just the opposite.

US government showed an ugly face to the world. What "world" are you relating to?

US government has manouvered itself without any need into a 1 way street.....with the unvaluable help of the "longtime allies". Without that "help" maybe we were talking a totally different language.

US goverments copies Propaganga war of Islam fanatics :'The Evil'  'Crusade' ' God told me' ...You are really blind. Either by ignorance or some more or less hidden agenda, but your blindness is blatant. Btw....Islam fanatics propaganda is far more coercitive.

Bush even pissed off  very conservative european people on this board Not me  



Regards,

[Dead Man Flying]

Originally posted by Puke
I know it involves being able to declare martial law, that's pretty powerful right there.

[/B]

Any kinds of war powers granted to the president must do so by statute, and laws cannot go against the constitution.  That said, Lincoln did unconstitutionally suspend the writ of habeus corpus during the Civil War, but he never, ever called off elections.

Interesting that you bring up FDR and Lincoln, the two most powerful presidents we ever had and I remember their names being mentioned specifically when learning about the wartime powers.

[/B]

I mentioned them for that very reason.  Even the two most powerful presidents during war time did not call off elections; nor could they have if they'd wanted.

They also died before any re-election too.  Anyway, I may be wrong about that power, though not sure why I have it in my head.

[/B]

FDR and Lincoln died before re-election?

For the United States, World War II lasted from 1941 until 1945.  Franklin Roosevelt ran for re-election in 1944 and won during wartime.  The Civil War ran from 1861 to 1865, and Lincoln ran for re-election in 1864, beating George McClellan.  So even the most powerful of presidents cannot shirk their constitutional responsibilities regardless of the historical context.

Realize also that the website you linked to isn't exactly neutral.  And while presidential executive orders may ostensibly wield enormous power, Congress or the Supreme Court could at any time remove the power or impeach a president for its abuse.  Any president passing an executive order calling for the suspension of presidential elections during crisis is going to face impeachment and/or Supreme Court rebuke.  I can guarantee it.

-- Todd/Leviathn