Author Topic: 4 cannon armed Spits. (Read 1648 times)

Rasker · « **Reply #15 on:** March 19, 2003, 01:32:24 AM »

Suave what is that Japanese bird? the Polish page doesnt seem to link any text to the pic?

Suave · « **Reply #16 on:** March 19, 2003, 02:29:08 AM »

That is the kawanishi j6k .

SirLoin · « **Reply #17 on:** March 19, 2003, 04:14:04 AM »

Imagine an eight cannon p47?..

loser · « **Reply #18 on:** March 19, 2003, 09:35:06 AM »

I used to fly the spit V almost exclusively. I tried the hurri in its different variants a few times but didn't really like the way they performed.

But after growing tired of the spit I decided to give the Hurri IIC a real chance. I must say i fell in love about 3 days after comitting to this plane.

While the spit is an uber ride, i still got in situations where i felt like i didnt have a chance.

In the Hurri IIC i can honeslty say i am not afraid of any other plane. I know the zeke is the only plane that can out-turn me, but i also know i only have to get off one ping on a deflection shot and their tail goes flying off.

I even fly low into furs on enemy bases. I have never survived so long in a 5 on 1 + for so long.

So we dont need a 4 cannon spit.... we have a 4 cannon HURRI!

vorticon · « **Reply #19 on:** March 19, 2003, 05:20:43 PM »

errr...nothing to be afraid of there...they would probably insanely decreased speed and turn rate...unlike the similarily armed hurri2c

hazed- · « **Reply #20 on:** March 20, 2003, 04:53:14 AM »

The 4 cannoned spit was the Spitfire VB and it was extensively used in the mediteranean and western europe.
I think it may have been used in the pacific at one point.

I dont understand this assumption by people that the rarer marks of spitfire were used in low numbers. Even the spitfire XIV saw extensive use. I often wonder why the spit14 we have is so highly priced when the F4U-4 is similar in price but much better performing and certainly they were used in much smaller numbers.

The perk costs dont seem to have any discernable rule which affects the scores.

If its how much use that raises the cost then shouldnt the f4u-f cost about the same as the f4uc by now? I hardly ever see one.
If its judged by how much impact they are perceived to make on the MA then again, why havent we seen the spit14 go down in price? They are hardly the scurge of the airways are they? as for the ta152 that must be something to do with production numbers else it would be costing less than an F4u-c if it was based on its 'use' in MA.Tempest and me262 seem to be a fair price and we see a good deal of them because they are WORTH their perk cost.They have advantages that are easy to make use of and win with.The others are no push over to suceed in regularly in an MA enviroment, but cost almost the same.Dont make a lot of sense to me.

Id say if they put the spitVB in, it would see about the same use as the hurricane C. In other words rather than overtake the arena it would be more likely to just add to the variety. A spitfire VB would be no better than a N1K. Speed would be slower, manouverability slightly better and armament slightly better. Basically a faster hurriC.is that really so bad?
if its all about the HO crowd then im afraid 2x20mm hitting you vs 4x20mm wont make too much of a difference to you as, if you're making a habit of HO'ing spitfires then you're doing things wrong anyhow. just 2 hispano cannons are needed to down any plane, all we would see is a few cleverplayers using 2 guns at a time to have a longer possible fight duration.Those that spray and pray will use up the guns just as fast as they do now with the spit5 & 9. quicker even if you count the other mgs.

Suave · « **Reply #21 on:** March 20, 2003, 05:31:43 AM »

What does it say about the perk system that the most often encountered perk plane is the me262 ?

devious · « **Reply #22 on:** March 20, 2003, 06:29:16 AM »

That the 262 kicks bellybutton ?

MiloMorai · « **Reply #23 on:** March 20, 2003, 06:44:22 AM »

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Originally posted by hazed-
I dont understand this assumption by people that the rarer marks of spitfire were used in low numbers. Even the spitfire XIV saw extensive use. I often wonder why the spit14 we have is so highly priced when the F4U-4 is similar in price but much better performing and certainly they were used in much smaller numbers.

Yes I know you said 'used'. Maybe someone can list the units using the a/c as of Sept.1 1945. Considering there was ~ 2.2 times more F4U-4s, most likely more Corsair units.

Number manufactured:

Spit XIV > 1054

F4U-4 > 2357

The Spit XIV's number includes those manufacture after WW2 ended. Not sure about the F4U-4 numbers but there was some.

Top speed of both was very simular but the Spit had a RoC 5-600f/m better and a higher ceiling by ~1500ft. And, 1 20mm is equivilent to 3 M2HBs.

gofaster · « **Reply #24 on:** March 20, 2003, 07:13:11 AM »

I'm still waiting for them to unperk the C-hog.

Squire · « **Reply #25 on:** March 20, 2003, 08:43:32 AM »

The F4U-4 served operationally in the last 4 months of the war, from April 1945. The SpitXIV entered service in January 1944, more than a year earlier. There were at least as many Spit XIVs in service in WW2, and probably more. The F4U-4 production #s are also including post WW2 numbers. They were used in Korea as well.

Btw the SAAF Spitfire VCs with the 4 x 20mm cannon were rare. Almost all Spitfire Vs were 2 cannon and 4 x 303s. There were NO operational Spitfire IXs with 4 x 20mm cannon used in WW2. I beleive the pic was taken over the Adriatic in 1943.

My best guess would be several hundred (total) Vs with the 4 x 20mm in WW2. Personally I would leave them out as a varient and concentrate on the more widely used models.

You want to talk rare. Try the Ta152, @60 saw action in the entire war. Thats probably the rarest prop fighter used operationally in WW2, or pretty close.

frank3 · « **Reply #26 on:** March 20, 2003, 09:07:58 AM »

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Originally posted by SirLoin
Imagine an eight cannon p47?..

I do hope you mean eight 20mm's?

how much inch is 20 mm anyway? I know the .50 is 12.7 (or 12.5) the .303 is 7.72 or 7.76mm

...and 37mm?

Suave · « **Reply #27 on:** March 20, 2003, 09:18:09 AM »

20mm is about 79 caliber .

MiloMorai · « **Reply #28 on:** March 20, 2003, 09:54:09 AM »

Squire, from "Spitfire: the History" I count 684 Mk XIV built by May 1945. There could be more but the production runs of the others goes into 1946.

A Vo101 Isegrim, a certified German is 'uber' , all else is crap fanatic, claims there was very few RAF squadrons equiped with the Mk XIV - claims less than 10, iirc. It would be nice to know what RAF squadrons were so equiped in May and Sept 1945.

This is OT but am curious about which squadrons.

oh yes, 20mm = 0.7874"

loser · « **Reply #29 on:** March 20, 2003, 10:10:22 AM »

I repeat, fly the hurri IIC. You will get more girls this way. Just the other day i had a girl over and i was flying the spit and i mentioned that this plane would be great with 4 cannons.

I got smacked in the back of the head and she told me to fly the hurri.

I took a hurri up and then i got more than any rabbit can handle.

In short, Hurri = sex.