Your the leader of the free world....

[Wanker]

Ok, since I seem to hit a nerve with discussing his right to be President, I'll concede(again) that he is our President.

Now then, back to the topic of this thread.....

You Bush fan boys think that it's not important that the President of the United States is not only a strong leader behind the scenes, but also a strong leader in the public eye?

One out of two is good enough for the President of the United States?

LOL!  Ok, I'll remember that when we argue in the next presidential election.

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by ra
Powell got his lunch money stolen by the French.  He is inept.

ra

LOL! Good one ra.  Made my day!

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

I'm no Bush fan boy banana, but public speaking doesn't make a great leader... it barely makes a good leader. And public speaking certainly does _NOT_ make a strong leader. It gives off the aura of a smooth talker. Smooth talkers get the ladies, and out of hot situations... minus their pride.

I didn't even vote in this past election, so it's not my place to complain about who's in charge... but Al Gore would of been the biggest uber-screwup this country would of ever committed.
-SW

[davidpt40]

Bush has a more 'emotional' personality type than Clinton or Reagan.  This means that things effect him more.  For instance, when he was told of the WTC attacks.  He was most definately feeling some strong emotions, such as anger and worry and such.  But even still, when you are being 'examined' by millions of people while you speak, it tends to make you more conservative in the things you say- at least with certain personality types.

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by banana
Ok, since I seem to hit a nerve with discussing his right to be President, I'll concede(again) that he is our President.

Now then, back to the topic of this thread.....

You Bush fan boys think that it's not important that the President of the United States is not only a strong leader behind the scenes, but also a strong leader in the public eye?

One out of two is good enough for the President of the United States?

LOL!  Ok, I'll remember that when we argue in the next presidential election.

First off, I've never been a Bush fan...I've stated time and time again on this BBS that "2000 election for choices sucked"

Second, Bush is ahelluva lot better choice than Gore and 3 times as good as Clinton (Clinton is  just popular with your type because you're greedy, your 401k flourished under a rare technology boom, and the market has corrected itself)  

Can you answer me this: What was Clintons legacy? What the hell did he DO for 8 years?

But I digress.

[john9001]

hitler was a great speech maker, he could realy rally the people behind him. clinton was good also "i feel your pain"

[muckmaw]

So let me see if I understand this, banana...

You'd rather have an untrustworthy man as President, as long as he gives good sound bites, rather than an honest man who is a poor public speaker?

Or I assume that you are intimating that Bill Clinton was both honest and a good speaker.

Hey, how about good old Jimmy Carter Honest guy. Fair speaker.

[Wanker]

Sure, SeaWulfe, I understand that a good speaker does not a great president make.

But, at times like this....it sure doesn't hurt!

It's embarassing to see him slumping against podiums and mis-pronouncing words, though. It makes him look weak, and I don't like weak presidents in time of war.

[Lance]

[muckmaw]

Originally posted by Ripsnort
First off, I've never been a Bush fan...I've stated time and time again on this BBS that "2000 election for choices sucked"

Second, Bush is ahelluva lot better choice than Gore and 3 times as good as Clinton (Clinton is  just popular with your type because you're greedy, your 401k flourished under a rare technology boom, and the market has corrected itself)  

Can you answer me this: What was Clintons legacy? What the hell did he DO for 8 years?

But I digress.

The business cycle is what made your 401(k) run. It has nothing to do with the presidency. The market was bound to correct, and just as itwas overvalued in 2000, it's completely undervalued now. Simple economics, the business cycle and maybe a touch of Federal Reserve policy.

If you want to blame someone, try Alan Greenspan, who did everything he could to slow the equity markets including all those interest rate hikes. Of course, regardless of whether or not Greenspan acted, the market would have corrected. It has nothing to do with who sits in the Oval office.

Clinton's legacy? 1 blowjob, 1 stained dress, 1 near impeachment, 1 Somalian folly, and the launch of Hillary's career in politics.

WTG, Slick Willy.

[Wanker]

So let me see if I understand this, banana...

You'd rather have an untrustworthy man as President, as long as he gives good sound bites, rather than an honest man who is a poor public speaker?

Did I stutter?


I said......I want a president who is a strong leader and a strong public speaker. I don't know that Bush is even a strong leader.....and it is certainly evident that he is not a strong public speaker in times of crisis.

You guys crack me up. Instead of defending Bush's skills(or lack thereof), you pull out the "Slick Willie" and "Jimmy Carter" cards that you always have ready when you can't refute an opinion with facts.

Rip, Rip, Rip.....

I love ya, man.

Someday we gotta have that pitcher of beer and discuss all of the past president's foibles.

[weazel]

"The tyrant will soon be gone."

"The day of your liberation is near."

"If Saddam does not leave we will attack at the time of our choosing."




WASHINGTON:

With hundreds of thousands of troops poised for combat in Iraq, veterans are the next group to have their necks stretched on Spurious Georges chopping block of "compassionate conservatism."

The House budget plan on the floor this week will attempt to slash $15 BILLION dollars over the next decade in Veterans benefits to help make room for chimpys tax cuts for the rich.

The Republican plan, which the House Budget Committee adopted last week on a party line vote will chop $467 BILLION from mandatory spending programs including the Veteran Affairs Department, Medicare, and Medicaid in the next ten years to offset $1.5 TRILLION dollars, the bulk of which chimpy proposes to give to the richest 1% of people in our country via so-called "tax cuts"......in reality this is nothing more than the rape of the American tax-payer and the nations treasury.

The VA cuts will take place in disability compensation, education benefits, pensions and health care.

It is unconscionable to cut benefits and services for disabled veterans at a time when we have hundreds of thousands of them in harms way RIGHT F*CKING NOW!

"Compassionate Conservatism" my ass.....the Failure in Thief doesn't give a toejam about Americans, the nation, or the Constitution he swore to protect and uphold.

"Operation Enduring Handjob" is about to enter it's bloody, mega-profits phase....but I suppose it's all good as long as Poppy Bush, Dick Cheney and all the other thugs in the Bush Family Evil Empire get richer......right?

[muckmaw]

Did I stutter??

Did you read the thread?

I already said I believe GWB cares about Americans, and has the balls to make tough decisions. I said I believe he is an honest man. Thats a strong leader.

That's GWB's positive attributes. It's 3 more than Clinton ever had.

Clintons attributes?

He cared about covering his ass.
He had the balls...they were resting on Monica's chin. Too bad that was all he ever used them for.
And he was so honest, he almost got impeached.

GOOD SPEAKER, THOUGH!!!

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

Possibly... although, I've always been a firm believer in substance, not appearance and actions speaker louder than words.

However, just for the sake of it, if we were to compare Al Gore and Goerge Bush Jr in public speaking- both are equally as bad, atleast according to how a public speaker is judged.

A monotonous tone is the absolute worst thing you could ever put forth as a public speaker, and Al Gore sounds like a robot from a movie from the '50s.

People claim "Bush is an idiot" and other nonsense like that because they are mistaken that public speaking denotes intelligence.

That's why I say public speaking is for the easily impressionable, because it's all just a nice facade to make the general public complacent with the decisions that the president makes.

Clinton did nice things while he was in office, yes... but he was a liar and a complete piece of toejam. He allowed his entire administration to ransack the White House when his term was up.

If you think that's a good leader, or a good president, then would I be a good friend if I came to your house and stole all your things, pissed on the floor, and rubbed my bellybutton on your walls? What if I lied to you straight faced that I did not do all of the above despite your neighbors telling you they saw me doing so and had photographs proving this?
-SW

[muckmaw]

Weazel-

You have your Aluminum foil hat on backwards, bro.