It was a tough Reset Last Night

[NHFoxtro]

 After we took the Carrier out at 4,and helping with goons at 12, and finnaly trying to take 11, I didn't think we were going to get it at first. There were so many Bandits in the sky I was having some doubts, but the Bishes stuck to together. <S>

 Also <S> to the Knights for giving us a hell of a fight and making the game a little more fun than usual.  

[Kieran]

I was on for a few minutes last night during the "Buff-athon" to Knight HQ. I could tell by the chatter this must have been going on all night, so I decided to take a fighter over to the HQ and cities to slap a few farmers down. Sure enough I was rewarded with a plethora of Lanc's and B-17's. I caught the first Lanc low and astern of his bud, and loosed my guns (190D-9) and got him. I pulled up low on the next Lanc, hurt him bad (thought I had it too) but he finished me. Damn, shouldn't have let that 51 rush my approach on that Lanc.

I called the raid in again and reupped. Enroute to the scene of my demise I met a Lanc at around 9K and dispatched him in a pass. I called the HQ raid in one final time. I flew directly to the city were I found 2 Rook farmers plowing the city with B-17's. One of them was about 8K, the other was low, near the deck. I was around 11K and nose-to-nose with the high B-17 so I split-S'd and dropped right on him from above. A long burst into the wing root took him out. I saw a Lanc above me at D4 above and knew I had no hope of catching him before he did his work, so I called it in to the nearest guy and wished him luck (Roadkill got him). This left the final B-17 near the city. Same as before, I rolled over in a split-S and nailed him with a long burst in the wing root. That made 3 bombers that sortie, 1 and 1/2 from the sortie before for a total of 4 on the raid- and still the HQ and city were flattened.

I decided to land the sortie (something I don't often do) and flew to 11. The Rooks were working the western 3 bases we had left, the Bish the eastern 3, but I felt I could slide in unmolested at 11. I wanted to see what 3 buffs were worth if you landed.

3.3 points.

I feel for perk flyers. I think I see the reason people won't chase after bombers now- no way some people will risk getting taken out for so little possible gain. Me, I valued the resources we were losing, though not the dar, and would have gone after the buffs anyway. I can't blame anyone for ignoring them, though.

[AKDejaVu]

 

I feel for perk flyers. I think I see the reason people won't chase after bombers now- no way some people will risk getting taken out for so little possible gain. Me, I valued the resources we were losing, though not the dar, and would have gone after the buffs anyway. I can't blame anyone for ignoring them, though.

Its not really about perk points for me.  It is weighing potential damage vs potential loss.  Last night I made a pass on a b-17 that was bombing our base.  I got a fuel cell and maybe something else, but then noticed he'd taken out all of our ack already.  That meant he didn't have much sting left in him, so I let him go waiting for any incoming invaders.  The risk of getting him outweighed the potential gain.

I'm more likely to stick with a lanc, since it can do more damage.  For instance, a single lanc can level HQ, so I'll pursue him there.  A b-17 can't, so I'll let him go.  Squadrons of bombers is a different story, of course

AKDejaVu

[Westy]

Damn I missed some good buff keeeeling  

-Westy

[Dinger]

I dunno kieran.  I've given up on chasing bombers ever since 4 pings from a lancaster would regularly remove my wing.

[Westy]

Was it the pings?  Or your approach.

 -Westy

(fears no bomber!)

[Kieran]

That's kind of what I am driving at, AK and Dinger. I am with AK and will kill buffs if there is a good reason to do so, but like Dinger I am wary of attacking buffs because there are some pretty good gunners out there. But that is me. For some it is about points, and you simply don't earn many points killing a buff from any fighter capable of killing one (not that I find the 190D-9 to be a "buff-killer"). For this reason I think people are beginning to ignore buffs more and more.

Just an observation, really. I've been splitting time between Rooks and Knights lately and I see pretty much the same thing in both countries; everyone knows there is a raid going to HQ, one or two guys go to attack the bombers, HQ is lost, then some guy starts yelling about why no one went after the bombers (the yeller is usually not one of the fellows who went after the HQ raiders  ).

The only reason I really cared all that much last night was the Rooks were going after our resources, and trying to be a team player I wanted to help maintain the possibility that we would have troops for a capture should one become possible. Once the training facility went down a reset was inevitable. There wasn't any point in chasing bombers after that.

[CavemanJ]

 

Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
Its not really about perk points for me.  It is weighing potential damage vs potential loss.  Last night I made a pass on a b-17 that was bombing our base.  I got a fuel cell and maybe something else, but then noticed he'd taken out all of our ack already.  That meant he didn't have much sting left in him, so I let him go waiting for any incoming invaders.  The risk of getting him outweighed the potential gain.

I'm more likely to stick with a lanc, since it can do more damage.  For instance, a single lanc can level HQ, so I'll pursue him there.  A b-17 can't, so I'll let him go.  Squadrons of bombers is a different story, of course  

AKDejaVu

Takes 2 Lancs to totally wipe out the HQ.
20,000lbs is required to take down the HQ building, a single Lanc only carries 14,000lbs.  

If I know a buff is empty I dinnae bother to look at him unless a bandit is trying to drag me into his guns or he's gone to the deck and is ackstarring the field.

If the buff is loaded it's 75/25 against engaging him.  Somewhere along the lines the balance of the buff guns swung way over to the buff side, especially when coupled with the sharp turns they can make from the gun position.  Was flying a Tempest and setup on a B-17.  1.7k at his 1.30-2o'clock and about 5000ft higher.  Dropped the left wing, rolled in for 2-10 pass, and he had kicked his rudder and in the time it took me to close to 800yds I was staring at his tail guns and missing a wing.
Hell hit a Lanc last night with a Yak9T.  3 37mm hits (dinnae fire the MG at all) to his inner left wing, 1 hit first pass 2 hits second pass, and all I did was bust the engine oil on the #2 and #3 engines.  (how do you pop #3 engine oil when you hit the left wing?)

I'm much more likely to let the buff drop his load and kill the fighters/goons behind him.

[whels1]

 

Originally posted by Kieran:
I was on for a few minutes last night during the "Buff-athon" to Knight HQ. I could tell by the chatter this must have been going on all night, so I decided to take a fighter over to the HQ and cities to slap a few 3.3 points.

I feel for perk flyers. I think I see the reason people won't chase after bombers now- no way some people will risk getting taken out for so little possible gain. Me, I valued the resources we were losing, though not the dar, and would have gone after the buffs anyway. I can't blame anyone for ignoring them, though.

ive said all along since perk sys came out, that the eny settings are not correct for
buff v fighters.  Fighters get too little for
killin a buff, and a buff gets too much
for a fighter kill.  Buffs should have
a ENY of 5 or less. thier ENY shouldnt =
any fighter eny, it should be less.

whels

[Dinger]

It shows westy.  This TOD, you're:
4 and 4 against B17s
5 and 2 against B26s
0 and 3 against Lancasters
1 and 3 against JU88s
Perhaps a little fear is advisable?

And no, approach doesn't matter.  I've done sweeping curves from high ten oclock in a 109 through two B17s at 500 mph, got two pings and lost my wing.  I've had my Ta-152 radiator hit by a single .50 cal from 1.5 away on his low six (so lag is not a factor).  I've sat in the tailgun of a lone B26 and gone cyclic on 5 (Count 'em, 5) fighters attacking me from <800 yards, killed three of 'em and smoked the engines of the other two before going down.
I enjoy flying buffs and I'd enjoy shooting them down, but this is just ridiculous.  It used to be a well flown buff attack was unstoppable, now nobody wants to intercept the bombers.  Heck, ackstars are on the rise.  I did the ackstar test in beta, and we determined that a well flown buff ackstar could get .5 kills/sortie.  Now I suspect that number's much higher.

[Sturm]

How does it feel to actually have radar all the time?    I am still learning this game, but I have pretty much written radar off when I come into the game as a knight.  And expect he bases to be around 5-6.  Last night was pure hell, could not get a good raid going constant furballs, was a hell of a lot of fun.  I do love the carrier raid parties.  TY bish for handing me 10 str8 deaths defending 12.  Got to admit it was funny seeing brady and I coming in at 200 ft from other base fully loaded with bombs as all the bish were standing around waiting for fighters to take off.  Salute was still fun    

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Sturm6 StaffelKapitän
JV44 Platzschutzstaffel
Airfield Defense Squadron

[LePaul]

Hey Sturm!  We didnt get a chance to meet up and launch any real raids, but I managed a few interesting sorties...

First was an Arado raid, with my Squaddie Ghosth.  Rolled from way over at 5 to hit 9, to try to stop the steady flow of fighters hitting 10.  Pretty boring mission, Ghosth hit the FH and I the VH and planned on landing at 3 when we noticed some 152s showing interest in a 2-Arado formation flight.  Told our fellow nights of our dilemma and they cleared our 6, but 3 was too hot to land at.  Ghosth & I cut throttles and made for 5.  We were on 1/8th of a tank when we made visual contact with 5 and headed in.  As my wheels touched, both engines flamed out...out of gas.  Phew!!

The other, memorable flight was my lone Ju88 heading up to A2.  5 fighters from 2 ignored me, choosing to furball it out at 3.  I was amazed I got in so easily and leveled the fighter hangars, hoping that would give us a break from the rook fighters.  2nd pass hit their barracks and finally a Nik got the better of me.

When we were down to 3 bases, I was up in an Arado.  It looked as though the end was near, so I jettisoned bombs and snuck under a swarm of fighters and landed at 11, so I wouldnt loose my perkies to a reset.

Was surely our night in the bucket.



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Paul J. Busiere

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 http://bd5.checksix.net
BD-5 "T" (TurboProp) 90% complete, first flight in 2001 (We hope!)

[Zippatuh]

I bet it was.  I only had an opportunity to be on for a few minutes at two separate times.  What fun it was to show up with 4 airfields left, lol.

First time, I waded right in though.  Started off as vulch material for awhile around 3.  Then kicked myself as I finally got up, engaged Pepe, and didn’t think to look for M3’s.  Started off a fight over my base, then ack killing me as it became theirs hehe.  <S>

Second time, vulch material for 12, finally got up though.  And concerning those perk planes, just like a worm on a hook.  I had alt, saw I was above a 152 but was engaged with someone else.  Basically I said screw it, I’m gunning for the 152.  Dropped in on em, got some good dings, then smiled as half the bish’s logged on ended up on my 6 hehe.  I just couldn’t let it go damnit!  As I chuckled and burned into the ground I started thinking, “did I just get hooked on purpose?”  LOL, was fun gents.

Zippatuh

[DoKtor GonZo]

Most of last week the Bish's were reduced to a handful of fields and getting stomped on both fronts. We were outnumbered against any one of the opposition as it was, but were still getting double-teamed - there was very little fighting in evidence elsewhere on the map. Then the AW influx really began this weekend and suddenly Bish's had numbers and the tide turned.

It wasn't until we were within 1 field capture of a reset (A11) last night that I saw a major shift of forces to the South. Up til then (believe it or not) Bish's had pretty much the same amount of planes on both fronts.

It seems to rotate around as to who's on the low end. And each country handles adversity with a different ... attitude.

    -DoK

[Kieran]

As for the "attitude" last night at least I didn't hear any whining about the numbers. People just flew and died. I don't get to fly Bishop often, but when I do the yelling seems just as loud.