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« Reply #15 on: March 25, 2003, 09:45:51 PM »
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... does not apply to conspiracy theories. :D


I think in that case it's more like Occam's Cheap Dull Electric Shaver.  One of those things that just vibrates and makes your face raw.  :D

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« Reply #16 on: March 25, 2003, 11:08:59 PM »
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One of those things that just vibrates and makes your face raw.  :D


I think you're using your new toy wrong.


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« Reply #18 on: March 25, 2003, 11:17:29 PM »
show of hands of oil patch experience...




This is who you want taking care of this problem.  These guys fuggin know what they are doing.  Why send in some cruddy no experience company to screw the pooch?


freaking tin hats abound.

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« Reply #19 on: March 26, 2003, 12:19:49 AM »
Ummm...did you guys READ any of my post or just the title.  For the smarty righties who think KBR is the most logical choice cuz they know so much about supressing oil well fires, you need to READ Haliburton's own press release (to which I so kindly provided a link) and note that KBR will not be putting out the fires...they will get 2 subcontractors who know how to do that kind of work (which evidently KBR does not know how to do)!  So why doesn't the US simply cut out the Haliburton middleman and contract with Boots&Coots???   $$$

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« Reply #20 on: March 26, 2003, 08:06:57 AM »
because haliburton is one of the republican partys biggest contributors. and bush already said he is gonna raise even more money to buy this election then in 2000.

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« Reply #21 on: March 26, 2003, 08:17:24 AM »
what is an occams razor?

heard a lefty go on some funded radio station in hippieville grass valley CA. say that... well .. a bunch of stuff that didn't sound too crazy or outright lies but... obviously wrong and self serving and then ... to finish it off... he somehow proved every liberal allegation by saying that the most "noted"  nostra  frigging domas "expert" had decided that the Bush was the great satan anti christ... he explained that Bush"s name could be made into 'mavis' or some such if you turned letters upside down and squinted just right or some such nonsense.... the host was very interested...but... had to consult his crystals.
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« Reply #22 on: March 26, 2003, 08:22:48 AM »
thats who i was referring to crow.....once again, have you ever seen an oil rig in operation, have you ever processed on oil contract....

matter of fact do you have ANY first hand oil experience?

Oil contracts sometimes have 100s of companies working on 1 well.

When ExxonMobil drills a well its contracted out to a company, they usually only keep 1 or 2 company men onsite to monitor the contract drilling.

Haliburton is one HUGE service company, they are involved in EVERY process of oil work.   Middlemen are how the business is operated.

its like keeping boeing out of a aviation defense contract, they are gonna be involved somehow.  Its just how the business works.

Most people don't realise that companies like ExxonMobil actually own very little oil equipment, its all "rented" so to speak.

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« Reply #23 on: March 26, 2003, 08:24:28 AM »
jeez thats as bad as all those wackos that did the same thing with clinton laz. nutjobs like that shouldnt be allowed to be on the radio or tv. both sides have them

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« Reply #24 on: March 26, 2003, 08:26:47 AM »
Looks like Dnil shut em up with facts once again. :cool:

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« Reply #25 on: March 26, 2003, 08:35:07 AM »
hard to believe clinton haters consulted nostrodomas experts and crystals.

what is osccams razor?
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« Reply #26 on: March 26, 2003, 10:23:48 AM »
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thats who i was referring to crow.....once again, have you ever seen an oil rig in operation, have you ever processed on oil contract....

matter of fact do you have ANY first hand oil experience?

Only from my family's experience...all my family is from Jay, FL.  Since you are from Pensacola you may know the area and what lies underground there.  Hell, you may have even serviced some of my family's wells.

Have I seen them drill on my grandparents property...yes.  Have I watched a christmas tree installed on that same spot...yup. Did I watch them build the refinery on land formerly owned by my uncle...yes.  Does that make me an oil expert...NO.

But I do consider myself an expert on governmental contracts since I work in that area and have drafted several contracts, MOUs, RFPs, and then created the methods/systems for contract monitoring.  Plus, I've written the competitive bidding and contract monitoring policy&procedure for a governmental agency. I can tell you that in all the contracts I've been associated with, all but one have had strict limitations on the use of subcontractors.  In all but one case, primary service providers were forbidden to use subcontractors that provide the primary service outlined in the contract without express permission and then only to augment the service providers own employees.

That one case involved a situation where the Florida Legislature mandated that FL Child Support Enforcement (CSE) contract with a quasi-governmental association to provide a service that the association did not have the technical capability to provide.  In that case the association had to subcontract with a private company to perform the work (a vendor that CSE could have easily contracted with directly).  The only purpose of the legislation was to funnel money to this association.  Dnil...those are your and my Florida tax dollars at work and being wasted.

To me this appears to be the same situation.  Middle men in governmental contracting WASTE our money.  

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Oil contracts sometimes have 100s of companies working on 1 well.
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In this situation we are NOT talking about running a drilling or pumping operation.  We are talking about ONE service...extinguishing the fires.  How much experience does Halibuton have in that area?  Evidently none since they are having to subcontract.

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When ExxonMobil drills a well its contracted out to a company, they usually only keep 1 or 2 company men onsite to monitor the contract drilling.

That is an excellent example.  So the analogy would be that the US Gov't is akin to ExxonMobil.  Would ExxonMobil contract with Heartland Rig/Partech to to drill for them?  HRI does not drill themselves but they sure know a lot about building drilling rigs. However HRI could certainly subcontract with Noble Corp to drill though...at an added cost to Exxon of course.  This is about the same as saying that Haliburton, since they have so much oil servicing experience, should be hired so they can hire Boots&Coots to put out the fires.

BTW, someone mentioned that there couldn't be a company over there that could possibly do the work...I heard on the news this morning that the 3rd of the nine burning wells in southern Iraq has already been extinguished by a Kuwaiti company.

Chew on those facts Rip...
« Last Edit: March 26, 2003, 10:36:59 AM by crowMAW »

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« Reply #27 on: March 26, 2003, 10:32:12 AM »
I do believe you guys have not had too much dealing with a federal contract before.

Every contract is reviewable by oversight committies.  This one is almost a given.  In those reviews, any contract that either offered more services for the same amount or the same services for a lesser amount must be chosen.  My money says that neither happened.

If the same company comes in lower with its bids and guarantees their work (is bonded), then they are going to get the contract.  If this is not the case... then an oversight commitee is responsible to point it out.

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« Reply #28 on: March 26, 2003, 10:33:05 AM »
Oh.. and a few of you need to learn the difference between contractors and subcontractors.

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« Reply #29 on: March 26, 2003, 03:16:01 PM »
crow i just moved to pensacola, I lived and worked in Houston, the hub of the oil business.  

I was heavily involved in the drilling process.  I didnt watch from afar i was in it, on the engineering end.  I maintained the midcontinent well database for exxonmobil.  any well drilled in the midcontinent i knew about, knew how much it cost and knew who was doing it.

It was my lively hood, it fed my family.  This is all first hand knowledge.  Not having Halliburton involved is damn near impossible.

Well control is a very serious business.


edit:  Haliburton will service the well control company, thats what I mean by being involved.  So yes boots and coots will be the man on the job but the gear and service end will be coordinated by haliburton, thats what they do.
« Last Edit: March 26, 2003, 03:18:15 PM by Dnil »