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Offline miko2d

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Women at war.
« on: March 26, 2003, 11:29:36 AM »
This is not about appropriateness of women serving in combat.

 I just find it hilarious that of all positions that women can be found in at war, the editors at MSN selected one with woman on her back! for a cover of a story. Subconsiousness playing tricks? :D

 Check http://www.msn.com while it's still there or here is the picture (there is a bigger one in the story).

 miko
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« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2003, 11:35:49 AM »
wow at least they didn't show her bent over, or sitting!!

my god it would have been like she was on the toilet or something..

the horror.
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« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2003, 11:40:44 AM »
Kanth: my god it would have been like she was on the toilet or something..

 What's wrong with that? Sitting on an (often improvised) toilet comprised some of more relaxing and enjoyable moments of my military career! :)

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« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2003, 12:15:19 PM »
not to be a jerk or anything but I think this is the first 'funny' that I've seen you make.

definately in need around these boards lately.  :)
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« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2003, 01:04:19 PM »
I think some advocates of Women GIs have got their heads in the clouds...

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in the fox news article
As for sexual abuse, they argue that men can be sexually and otherwise abused and humiliated as easily as women.


I disagree. The chances that a man would be gang-raped by dozens of soldiers are extremely low. I wouldn't doubt some brief sex abuse by other means, but I don't think men have to worry about that possibility the way women might.

Just look at what happened to civilian women in Bosnia. If an army wanted to demoralize a female prisoner, I can't think of too much worse than allowing a whole unit have their way.

Iraqi Intelligence Agents are supposedly some of the worst when it comes to using rape as an interogation and torture techniquie.

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« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2003, 01:36:19 PM »
Midnight: I think some advocates of Women GIs have got their heads in the clouds...

 I think some opponents of Women GIs are paternalistic authoritarian throwbacks to the past that would deny woman a choice to risk her life/health/virginity by voluntarilyserving in US army.

 Anyway, this thread is not about serious matters - already beaten to death and beyong - but rather a curious choice of MSN editors regarding the cover photo.

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« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2003, 02:07:38 PM »
miko2d

I am not saying I am against women in the military or even performing in combat roles, so don't try to imply that in your response.

The only thing that matters to me is the intelligence, motivation, physical strength and desire to do the job. If there is a woman that can perform under the rigors of combat, there is no reason why she should be denied.

One of the problems with women integrating into standard combat units has been that some (women) still argue that they want equal rights, but also special provisions for privacy puposes.

There is always that underlying probelm - sex, the desire for sex and the issues that can be raised when sexual harrasment claims are made.

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« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2003, 02:24:49 PM »
Midnight: ...some (women) still argue that they want equal rights, but also special provisions for privacy puposes.

 OK than. So why didn't you start with that rather than decrying some "advocates of Women GIs" with "their heads in the clouds".

 You let me interpret what you ment instead of being more clear, then do not be surprised if I "imply" something you might not have ment. I am not a mind reader, so my appoligies for "implying" but take notice.

There is always that underlying probelm - sex, the desire for sex...

 A man that is supposed to face death should be able to handle some abstinence. Or maybe we should do what military through the history did untill recently - provide them with bordellos...  We are sending our children to kill professionally, what's a big deal if they have some professional sex?

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« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2003, 03:56:45 PM »
Well, my opening statement points directly to a quote made by some women advocates. If they think men and women would face the same possibilities for sexual abuses, then I say they have their heads in the clouds, or are not looking at what reality could be, or however else you might want to put it.

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As for sex, that's the problem. I have no problem with the military being able to go and use prostitutes during R&R. What I meant was that some women might say they have been sexually harrased when they have not been, or some women might object to using the same latrine or shower as the men, etc.

Further to that, there is always the possibilty of a man and a woman starting a relationship that ends up making some other person jealous which then causes other problems.

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Bottom line, as far as I care, women can do what they want when they want as long as they don't expect men to change how they have been doing things when the women were not there. Why is it that men should always have to change (basically tone everything down or stop entirely certain things) to accomodate women?

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« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2003, 04:01:15 PM »
Midnight: Why is it that men should always have to change (basically tone everything down or stop entirely certain things) to accomodate women?

 Not always. Only since feminazisation, guilt-mongering and socialisation of american culture.
 I wish feminisation of the military was the greatest problem facing american society...

 miko