Women in war

[Hortlund]

Israelis had females in combat units. Those units had higher casualty ratings than the other units. Not because the women were any worse soldiers, but because the guys would do stupid things to save wounded or dying girls.

Israeli conclusion is all female units are ok, mixed units are not. But if you go with the all female units -solution, I'm wondering if it doesnt just move the problem to a higher level. "Oh no, the female-company is surrounded, we must save them".

Note that Im not saying that guys just say "screw it" when their buds go down or anything like that. What I'm saying is that the Israeli soldiers would take greater risks to save the girls than they would otherwise.

[Airhead]

War is the last place we need to maintain "political correctness." Not only should women be denied combat roles, but they shouldn't even be in a combat ZONE. We have one young lady as a POW and another young lady is MIA. And for WHAT? To be "fair?"

We've lowered the performance standards for fire departments, police departments and the military to attempt so-called "gender equality" that we're now willing to put up with sub par police forces, fire departments and Armies.

To be blunt, there are some jobs that are men's jobs- and war is one of them. Call that chauvinistic all you want, but war- or fighting crime or fighting fires, for that matter- is not the place to relax standards in an effort to be "inclusive."

I'm disgusted we're suffering female casualties, whether they volunteered or not. It speaks badly of our ethics and morals.

[Wlfgng]

this young lady (19) was reported missing in action after the supply line was attacked.. she's a supply clerk.

IMO women like this don't belong on the front.

My heart goes out to the family, as it does to all other service families.

[Animal]

They made the choice to go now they face the consequences, too bad for them, thats reality, your pity and morals arent worth a damn in the grand scheme of things.

Truth is that whenever a country is in REAL threat THEN it is ok to let women take arms? We should not let women fight wars, unless our country is in peril, THEN we can give them sniper rifles and fighter aircraft, to our amazement they excell, but when the war is over, we send them back to the kitchen?

[Wlfgng]

to me it isn't a gender thing.

I never believed women only belong in the kitchen.

I spoke about the women atheletes in this valley being able to kick some mens' asses.. no joke.
but it's not because they're 'butch' or weight-lifters... just that they have the mettle that a lot of 'boys' don't have.

so to me it's about sending troops that are prepared.
Last night I was watching a report from the field and how they (rear infantry/supply) came sauntering into Iraq in a lacidasical (sp)manner...
just another example of not being prepared.
then I see that this young lady is captured and I have to think "would I send her to war in good concience?"

same with some of the young men...

[Mickey1992]

Originally posted by Wlfgng
this young lady (19) was reported missing in action after the supply line was attacked.. she's a supply clerk.
IMO women like this don't belong on the front.

My heart goes out to the family, as it does to all other service families.

There are two women MIA from the 501st Maintenance, presumed dead.  After reading of the sexual abuse inflicted on the American woman POW during the Gulf War, I wouldn't want them near the front line.

[Wlfgng]

I know.. the other woman has been shown on TV.

my point is that this woman is more child
the other one at least looks like she could carry her own supplies

again, to me it's not a male/female question.. but a question of preparedness and sending appropriately prepared troops into combat

[narsus]

Well the problem is if you are in the theatre you can be killed. It doesn't matter if you are in logistics there is still a possibility of being killed in combat.

[Airhead]

Originally posted by Wlfgng
to me it isn't a gender thing.

I never believed women only belong in the kitchen.

I'm not saying where women DO belong- I'm saying where they DO NOT belong- and that is in a war zone.

This isn't an "equality" issue, it's an ethics issue. I cannot, in clear conscience, condone our daughters being sacrificed in a war zone halfway around the planet. It's bad enough we send our sons, but our basic instinct as a male  human animal is to protect and provide for the females in our care.

Play the "kitchen card" all you want Animal, but it's not about civil rights, it's about moral ethics.

[lazs2]

yep airhead... I think this is one gender line we shouldn't blur.    I also don't agree with wlfgang about him knowing women who can kick mens butt's .... This really never happens... it has been tested time and again and allways with the same results...  

 All this stuff about women being just as tough as men and TV and movies showing em kicking mens butts is a very bad thing in my opinion...  I believe that the current generation shows way too little respect for women as it is.... I believe that all this crap about tough women just gives these little weazels an excuse to abuse women.

some on this board appear to be giving me the ok to knock the crap out of women because, after all... if they want to be...   I will not hit a woman except to protect myself or someone else from serious injury or death.   Fortunately.... this never/hardly ever happens amungst sane women.   There are reasons that this never/hardly ever happens
lazs

[Suave]

Moral ethhics ? If by moral ethics you mean gender discrimination in the work place .

It has nothing to do with gender bias irrationalities.. I hope . It's just that humans happen to be, fortunately, a drastically sexually dimorphic animal .

[Wlfgng]

Lazs, I'm not saying the typical woman can kick the typical man's butt..
I'm saying the atypical woman (bad bellybutton whatever) can kick the atypical man's (boy/sissy/whaterver) butt

like.. say a local tri-athelete type woman against the book-worm from the city..      wanna' place a bet ?  

and no, I'm not condoning violence against women.. please.
just comparing different "types" across gender lines.\

I for one, would not want to go to war with a woman on the front... too many complexities

[Mickey1992]

Originally posted by Wlfgng
I know.. the other woman has been shown on TV.

There is one woman POW and two MIAs.  God help all of the POWs and MIAs.

POW - Army Spc. Shoshana Johnson, 30, of Fort Bliss, Texas, 507th Maintenance Company, Fort Bliss, Texas.

MIA - Army Pfc. Lori Ann Piestewa, 23, of Tuba City, Ariz., 507th Maintenance Company, Fort Bliss, Texas.

MIA - Army Pfc. Jessica D. Lynch, 19, of Palestine, W.Va., 507th Maintenance Company, Fort Bliss, Texas.

In my opinion we should not have 19 year-old women anywhere near the front line.  I was going to link to another pic of Army Pfc. Jessica D. Lynch but then I realised that it was taken in 2000.

[Wlfgng]

God help all of the POWs and MIAs.

couldn't agree more.  didn't mean to omit others.. just pointing to an example.

[Suave]

I can think of some women that could kick a load of ass, but then they break bottles with their feet and boards with their fists for fun .

The sole reason, I hope, for denying women the honor of killing and dieing on the ground for their country is explained very well in the US Army's physical fittness manual.

Here it is .

http://www.adtdl.army.mil/cgi-bin/atdl.dll/fm/21-20/Appa.htm#Appa