first impressions from a recyled newbie (lengthy)

[Hristo]

How's flying a C-Hog vs Zeke different than flying 262 vs Hog ?

Aside if they ever met historically, but then C-Hog would not be allowed near ETO planes either   .

You C-Hog dweebs are doing to poor Zekes the exact same thing what 262 would do to you. And you whine of jets in advance ?!?



[This message has been edited by Hristo (edited 10-20-2000).]

[StSanta]

ammo:

nope, think it is as it should be.. Maybe the C shouldn't turn as well as it does, but that's another matter.

I am just pointing out an error in lazs's post.

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[gatt]

From Funked:
 

I concur that the only thing overmodeled about the F4U ... is the whining

I concur that whining about C-Hog whining is clearly overmodeled, eheh.

[-lazs-]

hristo... the zeke is the one that is odd man out... it does not belong in a mid/late war planeset it was indeed outdated by that time.  In the case of the 262... Every plane becomes a zeke to it just some worse than others...

If parity (fun, fair fites) is the goal then... the zeke doesn't belong in a late war planeset any more than a 262 does... We no doubt need a "generations" planeset with say, early, mid and late war generations rather than the inherent unbalancing effect that introducing any new early war planes or conversly, introducing perk planes will have.   How will you "perk" early war planes?   You can't... you either can't have em or you have em and no one flys em or... you give em a "generation" with some parity.

I would love to fly some P40's Spit1's F4F-3' Ki43's 109e's Zekes and such through the canyons in their own generation wouldn't tou all?  they would all be wasted tho if they were introduced right now in the current planeset.  Same goes for very late war planes like the -4 hog or Dora or Spit 14 or TA152 or bearcat or tigercat or whatever...

3 generations would do it on alternating days.   Any new plane would fit into one o4r the other of those generations i would think.  Why on earth would you  even need "perk" planes  What kind of a person would even want such a thing?
lazs

[AKSeaWulfe]

What room does someone advocating the introduction of the dweebiest plane(Me-262) have in calling someone flying a propellor driven plane, with obvious weaknesses that can be killed by just about any plane if flown right, a dweeb(F4U pilots)?


I'm just curious as to where you get off saying that Hristo? I don't fly an F4U, I fly a lot of other planes. 190A5, La5.. are just two of which I can whip a Hawg mercilessly in. In the 262s case, I can see it now. Oh, He's at 6.0K... 1 second later 5.0K(and I'm flying away from him..) next second, 4.0K. etc. Then he's 1.0K.. closing fast. 500yds.. He misses!!! Welp, there he goes running off into the sunset.

Ah yes, definitely not a dweeb plane that 262. hehehehe
-SW

[hazed-]

you seem to be forgeting a couple of things people...
the me262 was in the war and i and others would like to fly it.we all pay the same so every opinion is equal right?
fuel consumption is extremely high on me262  so this means you will have to take off/land nearer the fight right? and in RL they were very open to attack as they landed/took off and as you know it is easy to go deep into enemy territory on the hunt in say a p51 so hunting them once everyone says 'me262 10,9,6' will be easy!, we just go cap the bases he can land at.
why not limit it to 1 or 2 flights of me262 every 24 hours? anything! but dont discount my and others desire to fly it! then while you're at it you can do same for f4uc    which was also produced in small numbers so there is a legitimate reason for me to not want it in arena 24/7.It all boils down to personal taste and i like LW you like Yank/Brit/jap. (delete as appropriate   ).
give us the planes first then we can debate its availability.
I would be very dissapointed if we get more and more late war allied planes and leave the luftwaffe with older models as i fly mainly luftwaffe and if i see other online sims with the planes i want to fly i'll go elswhere and i have no desire to do so.
just my personal opinion but hell it should count the same as ANYONE elses right?
hazed 3./JG2
 

[funked]

Jets are great, just don't forget the Meteor and the P-80.  

[Frosty1]

Did somebody say...McDonalds?  

[Yeager]

Well I loved the RPS in WBs.

Thought it was just a hair beyond brilliant!

With RPS we had a dynamic tool to portray the actual developement of air power in the most fascinating time in the history of flight.  In this way we had planes come online at their actual times of deployment.

Pyro still has my admiration for this.

But, As much as Id like to see it here eventually, I suspect we wont get it (hence the perk concept).

We shall see!

Yeager

[Cabby]

The more things change.......

<yawn>

Cabby

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[Revvin]

WTG Cabby, 83 posts filled with spite and venom and you still have yet to contribute to this UBB with one rational response. Can't wait for your 100th post you might even pass MG's standard for irrational behaviour some day...keep it up and you may just get there.

[Hristo]

Actually, SW, I think that 262 won't be as uber to Hog as the Hog is to the Zeke.

262 has MK 108s, not the easiest cannons to brin on target. The tactic you described of 262 is not the dweeb way, it is the proper use of the plane  .

The C-Hog dweebs are the ones who say they fly the Hog for its historical record, and yet they miss the point that the plane had .50 cals historically.

I guess you would alo call Galland a dweeb, huh ? He flew 262, you know. That plane was produced some seven times more than C-Hog. It should be here, no matter how pissed prop dweebs would be.

[SOB]

 

Originally posted by Hristo:
The C-Hog dweebs are the ones who say they fly the Hog for its historical record, and yet they miss the point that the plane had .50 cals historically.

That's a nice broad generalization with no basis in fact...you do well with those.    And the F4U-1C had 50 cals?

I'm not a Chog dweeb, I'm a Niki dweeb, but I really look forward to the possibility of having the 262 in AH.  I'd even use my perk points to fly it even though I hate BnZ, since it's a damn impressive bird to me.  Of course, I don't anticipate one ever shooting me down in a fighter either...that is, if my eyes are open when one enters my airspace.


SOB

[Hristo]

SOB, you know what I wanted to say. Don't pretend not. The Hog with historical record was D model. C Hog ? Rare model imported to AH to satisfy the cannon envy  .

Majority of C-Hog dweebs didn't even know it existed until they saw it in AH. All they heard of was D model and its historical record in the Pacific. But it is a nice handy crutch and they took it.

SOB, try a team of 262s. Why do you think only lonewolfs would fly it ?  

[This message has been edited by Hristo (edited 10-23-2000).]

[-lazs-]

hristo... you are missing the point entirely... EVERY single plane we have now is a 262 compared to the zeke... The F4U is at the lower end of that pack  especially in acceleration and climb.  Your hate for the Hog is obvious and irrational.  It is obvious that you have no idea of how the plane performs.

The only way that the zeke can be useful for more than a couple of instances is if it has it's own "generation" (early war) of planes to fly against.   The 262 or any of the "perk" planes that we are voting on are in the same boat except that they need to be in a late war generation.   Perk, is obviously a stop gap measure to get a few more planes in the set.  

As to cannon hogs.... I fly em.   Like I said, the vagaries of the internet and my connect make all MG only equipped planes sporadically leathal.   I still get about 15-20% assists with a cannon hog... With the 6 fifty planes I get very good results sometimes and then others.... well they seem worthless and that is very frustrating.   I do not want to be frustrated.   As I have said, it may be a good idea to up the power of the MG's by 10% or so.  I believe that is why we see the fifties scorned in AH when in reality they were considered "heavy armement".   In AH or any sim, sometimes they are and sometimes they are not.

In any case, it seems that the fact that people in AH shun the MG planes when in RL (tm) they were considered excellent weapons packages is proof that something should be done.
lazs