Author Topic: More IJ planes needed despirately (Read 482 times)

Arlo · « **on:** April 04, 2003, 01:00:34 AM »

The IJ players are being forced to fly from a very limited selection of planes. HTC needs to model some uber IJ planes (preferably ones that can easily outclass F4U-1s, FM2s and F6Fs). F4Us and F6Fs will be held hostage and not be included in CT PAC maps until this happens.

Add more IJ planes.

Disclaimer: IJ players are welcome to post in this thread as well.

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #1 on:** April 04, 2003, 05:39:03 AM »

Can I see your fishing license please?

Ack-Ack
AH Fish and Game Dept.

oboe · « **Reply #2 on:** April 04, 2003, 06:27:30 AM »

HTC is aware they need to add more IJ planes. And they know the community would like them. The last thread I saw about adding the Ki.84 exceeded 200 posts I think, and there were many other Ki.84 request threads before that.

Be patient-- who knows what the next 2 or 3 years may bring.

Arlo · « **Reply #3 on:** April 04, 2003, 07:22:24 AM »

Just doing my job to support the cause, oboe. Karnak says it's not supporting the cause unless you start your own individual thread.

oboe · « **Reply #4 on:** April 04, 2003, 07:31:22 AM »

np, Arlo! My reply is supposed to be dark humor, but I guess I missed the mark. 2 or 3 years is forever IMO.

keyapaha · « **Reply #5 on:** April 04, 2003, 07:53:28 AM »

If the Japanese plane set had these 5 models this would round out the plane set quite nicly

1) G4M "Betty" for an early war bomber already have a late war one

2) Ki-44 This would give those who fly a zeke all the time somthing else to fly.

3) Ki-45 This would give the plane set an ok ground attack plane

4) Ki-84 This would give the set a decent ride to counter the late war planes of other countries frequently seen in the MA.

5) Ki-102 with the 57mm cannon this would solidify the ground attack portion of the plane set.

Ghosth · « **Reply #6 on:** April 04, 2003, 07:57:19 AM »

Yep,
Yep,
Yep,
Yep,
ok, sure, why not, yep,

all of them LONG overdue.
And probably hard to find really good data for.

gollum · « **Reply #7 on:** April 04, 2003, 08:03:56 AM »

Quote

Originally posted by keyapaha
If the Japanese plane set had these 5 models this would round out the plane set quite nicly

1) G4M "Betty" for an early war bomber already have a late war one

2) Ki-44 This would give those who fly a zeke all the time somthing else to fly.

3) Ki-45 This would give the plane set an ok ground attack plane

4) Ki-84 This would give the set a decent ride to counter the late war planes of other countries frequently seen in the MA.

5) Ki-102 with the 57mm cannon this would solidify the ground attack portion of the plane set. [/B]

I agree with keyapaha, these would all be great additions. Just adding my .02 cents to the pile.

gollum

VMF-101 Nightmares

gofaster · « **Reply #8 on:** April 04, 2003, 08:19:29 AM »

First off, I'm going to have to plead ignorance of the various IJ designations.

Second, I support the expansion of the IJ plane set. As the chief adversary in the Pacific, IJ should have more than 2 Zeroes, 2 other fighters, a dive bomber, and a level bomber.

Third, it helps to put a face to a name (so to speak) so here they are:

ki-44

Specifications (Army Type 2 Single Seat Fighter Model 1A Shoki "Demon" - Nakajima Ki-44-IIb)

Allied Codename: Tojo

Type: Single Seat Fighter Interceptor

Powerplant: One 1,520 hp (1133 kw) Nakajima Ha-109 (Type 2) 14-cylinder radial piston engine.

Performance: Maximum speed 376 mph (605 km/h) at 17,060 ft (5200 m); cruising speed 249 mph (400 km/h); service ceiling 36,745 ft (11200 m).

Range: 1,056 miles (1700 km) with internal fuel stores.

Weight: Empty 4,641 lbs (2105 kg) with a maximum take-off weight of 6,598 lbs (2993 kg).

Dimensions: Span 31 ft 0 in (9.45 m); length 28 ft 10 in (8.79 m); height 10 ft 8 in (3.25 m); wing area 161.46 sq ft (15.00 sq m).

Armament: Two 12.7 mm (0.50 in) Type I (Ho-103) machine-guns in the upper decking fuselage and two 12.7 mm (0.50 in) Type I (Ho-103) machine-guns mounted in the wings.

Variants: Ki-44 (prototype SN 4401-4403), Ki-44-I(a) Army Type 2, Ki-44-Ib, Ki-44-Ic, Ki-44-IIa (Nakajima Ha-109 Army Type 2 radial engine rated at 1,450 hp), Ki-44-IIb, Ki-44-IIc, Ki-44-IIIa, Ki-44-IIIb (Two 20 mm Ho-5 cannons and two 37 mm Ho-203 cannon).

Operators: Japanese Army

Ki-45 Toryu

Kawasaki Ki-45-KAIc Toryu

Type Night fighter
Engine 1.080 hp Mitsubishi Ha-102
Performance
Max speed: 545 km/h
Service ceiling: 10,000m
Range 2,000km
Weight
Empty: 4,000 kg
Max: 5,500 kg
Armament: 37 mm cannon
2 x 20 mm cannon
7,92 mm machine-gun
Bomb load: 2 x 250 kg
Dimensions
Span:15.05m
Length: 11.00 m
Height:3.70 m
Operator Japan (army)

Ki-102

Type: Close Support Aircraft
Origin: Kawasaki
Crew: Two
Allied Code Name: Randy
Models: Ki 102 A, b, c & Ki-108
First Flight: 1944
Service Delivery: N/A
Final Delivery: N/A
Production: N/A
Powerplant:
Ki-102b:
Model: Mitsubishi Ha-112-II
Type: Radial
Number: One Horsepower: 1,500 hp

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Dimensions:
Wing Span: 51 ft. 1 in. (15.57m)
Length: 37 ft. 6¾ in. (11.45m)
Height: 12 ft. 1¾ in. (3.70m)
Wing Area: 365.98 sq. ft. (34.00m²)

Weights: Ki-48-IIb
Empty: 10,913 lb. (4950 kg.)
Loaded: 16,094 lb. (7300 kg.)

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Performance: Ki-48-IIb
Max. Speed: 360 mph (580 kph) at 19,685 ft.
Service Ceiling: 36,090 ft. (11,000m)
Range: 2000 km

Armament:
Ki-102a: One 37mm Ho-203 cannon and two 20mm Ho-5 cannon.

Ki-102b: One 57mm Ho-401 cannon, two 20mm Ho-5 cannon, and one rear firing 12.7mm Ho-103 (Type 1) machine gun.

Ki-102c: Two 30mm Ho-105 cannon and two 20mm Ho-5 cannon.

Payload: All variants
Two drop-tanks or two 551 lb. (250 kg) bombs.

Variants:
Ki-102: Three prototypes and 20 pre-production aircraft.

Ki-102a: High-altitude fighter version. Converted from six pre-production aircraft.

Ki-102b: Ground attack version.

Ki-102c: Proposed night-fighter version with increased wing span, lengthened fuselage, revised tail surfaces, and primative AI radar. Only two built.

Ki-108: Two protoptypes built from Ki-102b airframes. Developed as a high altitude fighter with pressurised cabin. These included the structural improvements of the Ki-102c and were still in the testing stages at wars end.

Sikboy · « **Reply #9 on:** April 04, 2003, 08:35:04 AM »

I'd want the Jm2 Raiden before the Shoki myself.

And if you ad the Ki-102 with the Mellon-Gun, it'd be nice to have merchant ships to blow to hell

I'm looking forward to AH2, for the inclusion of some of these planes... otherwise the Pacific story will never get past the early Carrier Battles.

-Sik

gofaster · « **Reply #10 on:** April 04, 2003, 09:45:55 AM »

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Originally posted by Sikboy
I'd want the Jm2 Raiden before the Shoki myself.

And if you ad the Ki-102 with the Mellon-Gun, it'd be nice to have merchant ships to blow to hell

I'm looking forward to AH2, for the inclusion of some of these planes... otherwise the Pacific story will never get past the early Carrier Battles.

-Sik

I'm surprised the Raiden isn't already in the plane set.

Is it possible to destroy those barges that appear in the Trinity map from time to time?

Model Mitsubishi J2M3
Engine 1 x Mitsubishi MK4R-A Kasei 23a
1,820hp 14 cylinder radial
Max. Speed 380 mph 612 Km/h
Max. Range 655 Mls 1,055 Km
Empty Weight 5,675 lbs 2,574 Kg
Loaded Weight 7,573 lbs 3,435 Kg
Span 35 / 5.25 Ft/in 10.8 m
Length 31 / 9.75 Ft/in 9.7 m
Height 12 / 6 Ft/in 3.81 m
Armament 4 x 20mm cannon.
2 x 132lb (60kg) bombs
Notes In a complete departure from the Japanese design philosophy of manouverability over all else, the Raiden, known to the allies as Jack, was optimized for performance, basically speed and rapid climb rate.
The prototype first flew in March 1942 but was plagued with faults. Despite these setbacks the J2M2 entered service in December 1943.
The later J2M5 variant was able to climb at over 3,000 feet per minute up to almost 40,000 feet.
Just over 500 Raidens were produced by the end of the war.

tzr · « **Reply #11 on:** April 04, 2003, 11:03:38 AM »

Quote

Originally posted by keyapaha
If the Japanese plane set had these 5 models this would round out the plane set quite nicly

1) G4M "Betty" for an early war bomber already have a late war one

2) Ki-44 This would give those who fly a zeke all the time somthing else to fly.

3) Ki-45 This would give the plane set an ok ground attack plane

4) Ki-84 This would give the set a decent ride to counter the late war planes of other countries frequently seen in the MA.

5) Ki-102 with the 57mm cannon this would solidify the ground attack portion of the plane set.

I agree!!!!!!:D

Reschke · « **Reply #12 on:** April 04, 2003, 11:10:20 AM »

I agree more IJ aircraft. I love seeing those big red targets on the wings and fuselages even if I can't hit em.

Esme · « **Reply #13 on:** April 05, 2003, 01:50:59 AM »

I'd be surprised if sufficient data to do a reasonable FM for the G4M ("Betty") is'nt available. After all, the Game That Shall Remain Nameless Formerly Worked On by HTC had a G4M in it.

...and a lovely one it was too! And my unit did their longest single raid to date in G4Ms (nearly three hours) escorted by some Hiens, who did a very nice job on keeping those dratted P38s at the tail end of New Guinea at bay., and still rtb'd OK. We didn't lose a single bomber on that raid, even though they're about as flammable as a can of petrol! :-)) ) Even better, the two planes we slipped around the Allied positions that bombed Port Moresby from the south also got through unscathed, thanks to a little diversion for the round-eyes HQ arranged at my asking, heheheh...

Ah, don't you just love it when a plan works? ;-)

Esumiko-san