Needs repeating until we get it!

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so we start rounding up muslims on there 17'th birthdays and send them to "bovine university"

[Thrawn]

Nice to see that bigotry is alive and well here.

[Toad]

Originally posted by miko2d
Hint: Which country used it's influence with despotic moranchy of Saudi Araba to put it's military onto Saudi Arabia soil under the false pretext of 250,000 iraqi troops amassed on the SA border using fake satellite picture images?

 

Do you have a source or link for this one? It's not one I've ever heard.

[miko2d]

Toad: Do you have a source or link for this one? It's not one I've ever heard.

 Please check those boards (HTC and AGW) - we discussed them. Also, do a web search. I do not have much time now, so here is only one link The Christian Science Monitor That info was showing in a lot of places and media - right untill teh story with fake documents proving Iraq buying uranium from Nigeria displaced it.

When George H. W. Bush ordered American forces to the Persian Gulf – to reverse Iraq's August 1990 invasion of Kuwait – part of the administration case was that an Iraqi juggernaut was also threatening to roll into Saudi Arabia.

Citing top-secret satellite images, Pentagon officials estimated in mid–September that up to 250,000 Iraqi troops and 1,500 tanks stood on the border...

But when the St. Petersburg Times in Florida acquired two commercial Soviet satellite images of the same area, taken at the same time, no Iraqi troops were visible near the Saudi border – just empty desert.

 Shortly before US strikes began in the Gulf War, for example, the St. Petersburg Times asked two experts to examine the satellite images of the Kuwait and Saudi Arabia border area taken in mid-September 1990, a month and a half after the Iraqi invasion. The experts, including a former Defense Intelligence Agency analyst who specialized in desert warfare, pointed out the US build-up – jet fighters standing wing-tip to wing-tip at Saudi bases – but were surprised to see almost no sign of the Iraqis.

"That [Iraqi buildup] was the whole justification for Bush sending troops in there, and it just didn't exist," Ms. Heller says. Three times Heller contacted the office of Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney (now vice president) for evidence refuting the Times photos or analysis – offering to hold the story if proven wrong.

The official response: "Trust us." To this day, the Pentagon's photographs of the Iraqi troop buildup remain classified.

 I saw more extensive description of the real pictures - including sand banks on the roads that were not traveled on in months, let alone passed quarted million troops and thousands of vehicles, etc. like here fby Times reporter Jean Heller:

Photos taken on August 8, 1990, of southern Kuwait - six days after the initial invasion and right at the moment Bush was telling the world of an impending invasion of Saudi Arabia - show light sand drifts over patches of roads leading from Kuwait City to the Saudi border. The photos taken on September 11, 1990, show exactly the same sand drifts but now larger and deeper, suggesting that they had built up naturally without the disturbance of traffic for a month. Roads in northern Saudi Arabia during this same period, in contrast, show no sand drifts at all, having been swept clean by heavy traffic of supply convoys.

 Oh, yes - those 250,000 troops and 1,500 tanks never materialised - neither dead, nor alive during the allied assault and bombing of 91.

 miko

[Martlet]

Why am I not surprised they were soviet pictures?

Another 3rd world country spewing it's anti-americanism

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before anyone says anything my previous post was intended as a joke...

[midnight Target]

Originally posted by Thrawn
Nice to see that bigotry is alive and well here.

Samo samo.....

Howdy Thrawn! I guess reports of your demise were exagerated.

[miko2d]

Martlet: Why am I not surprised they were soviet pictures?
Another 3rd world country spewing it's anti-americanism

 OK, fine - the private company selling those exellent-quality pictures managed to quickly edit the ones of a piece of an unsignificant desert when a reporter from a backwater newspaper wanted to buy those.
 And of course it is very suspicious that she went for the russian company when every country of the world has satellite in space making pictures. Especially since russians were so late in the space game with satellites and space stations...

 Anyway, what happened to those 250,000 troops and 1,500 that US government reported? Any got shot up on the way from across all Kuwait? Still there after 12 years? Managed escape across the whole country and via the single road in a few hours when nobody was looking? Where are the dozens of broken-down tanks that always result from such march? Was that huge army destroyed in place? Attacked in place and damaged? Left any trace? Any Iraqi survived out of those 250,000 to be interviewed over the last 12 years to converm his presence there? Any kuwaiti that have seen those quarter million troops?

 For you information, Martlet, it's been quite a few years since russians are not "soviet" anymore. So stop pretending that you are an anticommunist and get back into your real nationalistic jingoistic self.
 Admit it - russians are scum, pure and simple - no matter how many free elections they hold and how many perties they support or how liberal their laws are (13% flat tax, anyone?), they will never be equal with your people, whatever that is. They are genetically inferior, right? Always were, always will be.
 Don't confuse us with "soviet", use "subhuman" - that's whay you really mean.

 miko

[Thud]

Well, then all our problems with terrorism wil be easily solved, just check all 'Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40' when they board planes, cross state lines, borders enter public faciliteis etc. etc.  



But wait, how will we distinguish whether someone is a muslim, let alone a specimen which we would call extremist....

[Boroda]

Miko, do you know how I got that beautiful quote from Reverend (oh, sorry, simply Divine) Jay Littman?



99% of "anticommunists" here are absolutely unaware of what Communism is. They simply KNOW "communism" is evil.

We usually disagree on many aspects of life in USSR, being probably two people from similiar social groups, but the reason for most of my arguments with you is that Western people have an extremely distorted picture of above-mentioned life.

[Martlet]

Originally posted by Boroda
Miko, do you know how I got that beautiful quote from Reverend (oh, sorry, simply Divine) Jay Littman?



99% of "anticommunists" here are absolutely unaware of what Communism is. They simply KNOW "communism" is evil.

We usually disagree on many aspects of life in USSR, being probably two people from similiar social groups, but the reason for most of my arguments with you is that Western people have an extremely distorted picture of above-mentioned life.

nah, communism is great.  The best form of government.  I mean, sheesh, who could argue that after it worked so well for the USSR.

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Martlet
nah, communism is great.  The best form of government.  I mean, sheesh, who could argue that after it worked so well for the USSR.

Did we have Communism in USSR? Did I miss something?

[miko2d]

Boroda: 99% of "anticommunists" here are absolutely unaware of what Communism is. They simply KNOW "communism" is evil.

 Otherwise they would not have been building that communism here in efficient american way for the last 70 years. Or maybe they would.
 You see - dumb russians tried to build communism quickly, did not prepare people properly and have done a poor job that did not last despite all american support - uniting people around bolshevics by 1918 military intervention, later supplying a unifying external threat while plying soviet regime with food, technoligy and parts.
 Americans are making is the right way - to last for ages. Every bookstore has plenty of books by most notable US economists and other scientists explaining how it's going on - and nobody cares. See? No reason to bother with censure or iron curtain when the people are changed. It took a few generations but one cannot rush with such matters, silly russians.

...but the reason for most of my arguments with you is that Western people have an extremely distorted picture of above-mentioned life.

 True. But you are often wrong in which ways that picture is distorted. Probably you just cannot imagine how deluded a properly brainwashed or undereducated people can be despite free access to all information, unrestricted travel, etc.
 You have to come visit for a few weeks/months. You see all the idiocy on those boards but you do not see that our bookstores and media does have all that is needed to make an informed decision - unlike in Soviet Union.

 Fortunalely US is a very socially-mobile society and ignorance of the majority of the population is not as bad since a few smart americans getting through the gaps in the "education system" and plenty of immigrans that raise to the top are sufficient to make system work - at least economically.

 miko