Author Topic: Why the Israelis will prevail (Read 2850 times)

Krusher · « **Reply #15 on:** March 31, 2003, 07:30:58 AM »

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Originally posted by Toad
Loans will, in theory, be repaid unlike direct aid.

And before you start, I also seriously doubt they'll ever repay the loans. Particularly given the state of their economy.

However, apples to apples. The loans are not "aid" anymore than your banker gave you "aid" to buy your house.

As I said though, I think the money we provide Israel in toto has got to be addressed and soon. They get WAY too much from the US.

IMO.

With friends in the gulf right now and terrorist rushing in to try and collect thier 70 virgins I am pissed off.

I wish we would give them (isreal) the 30 billion we had marked to Turkey. Based on the Hamas, Hezbola, "death to amerika" crowd that is currently looking for suicide bombers to flock to Iraq and blow up our guys. I say screw them all they dont deserve a country. On 9/11 they cheered. This weeked they cheered (when a cab blew up) They can continue cheering straight to hell.

If their numbers are correct and 4000 are crossing the border to Iraq to attack our troops, then atleast we wont have to look to hard for them in sleeper cells later.

gofaster · « **Reply #16 on:** March 31, 2003, 07:49:38 AM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Well yes I agree in a way. If those unarmed guys had just the moral fortitide and leaderhip to stay in place and not move the game would be over for israel.

Tiannamen Square didn't seem to cause Red China to roll over and get usurped.

majic · « **Reply #17 on:** March 31, 2003, 07:54:23 AM »

The media has alot more access in Israel than China though. Plus China doesn't depend on the US.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #18 on:** March 31, 2003, 08:02:20 AM »

Despite its warlike nature israel is at heart a liberal western democracy, the public and the USA would not support tanks running over masses of gandhi style unarmed protestors day after day - but only if ALL palesteninans agreed to stop the terror.

Dowding · « **Reply #19 on:** March 31, 2003, 08:12:30 AM »

Grunherz, the IRA continued to bomb British and loyalist targets, but the British didn't send in the tanks, bulldozing the homes of suspected IRA terrorists. They didn't machine gun rock throwers either. Only once, in 30 years of conflict, did things go a bit nuts and that was right at the start.

Only when a dialogue was started was any real progress made. Yes, sometimes you have to talk to terrorists, even those that would like to see you destroyed.

It is unrealistic of the Palestinians to expect Israel to dissapear. It is unrealistic of the Israelis to expect Palestinians to be satisfied with living as third rate citizens. A compromise suiting both sides must be found.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #20 on:** March 31, 2003, 08:16:46 AM »

Yea but the palestenian terror groups hold onto their fantasy of wiping out israel- they have said they want no peace. And after 4 years of this renewed crap I dont think arafat really wants peace either. It would have been one thing for him to reject that unfair proposal and ask for more negotion - but a whole different thing was to resume wholesale terrorism again. And no I dont think that moron Sharons visit to the holy site was a good enough excise either. They are all nuts, both of them.

Rude · « **Reply #21 on:** March 31, 2003, 08:24:50 AM »

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Only when a dialogue was started was any real progress made. Yes, sometimes you have to talk to terrorists, even those that would like to see you destroyed.

Can you have a constructive discussion with terrorists who are bent on your destruction? Has Arafat really represented the needs of his people over these many years?

Again, like in so many instances throughout history, the common man suffers while the leadership serves it's own interests.

The only thing Clinton did which I give him credit for, is brought the two nations to a point where peace would have had a running start....who spoiled that chance for the Palestinians?

Dowding · « **Reply #22 on:** March 31, 2003, 08:49:42 AM »

Israeli and Palestinian leadership. The deal was ridiculous, and not one of us would have accepted it.

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They are all nuts, both of them.

Agreed.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #23 on:** March 31, 2003, 08:56:00 AM »

And I accounted for that in what i said, it was one thing if he rejected the deal and asked for more negotiation but to start the terror attacks again on account of that or even sharons visit to to the holy area was simply stupid, even more stupid to not stop them in the past four years. Nuts, simply nuts.

SLO · « **Reply #24 on:** March 31, 2003, 09:09:50 AM »

where else is the US gonna test its NEW toys.....

sell em to Isreal....get live combat experience and see how your new toys perform.....

as long as you play 2 face poker with the ARABS(saying you want peace yet you arm Israel)....your ALWAYS gonna have problems with Arabs....unfortunately.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #25 on:** March 31, 2003, 09:12:21 AM »

It's always americas fault to you, isnt it?

AKIron · « **Reply #26 on:** March 31, 2003, 09:28:57 AM »

When your show of force is so obviously undefeatable, you don't have to shoot very many. I don't see any shooting either way in that pic.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #27 on:** March 31, 2003, 09:31:39 AM »

But what could the tank do if they just stood their ground, no rock throwing no aggression just stood there - hundreds and hundreds of them? What could any weapon do? It could do nothing but kill them.

Sixpence · « **Reply #28 on:** March 31, 2003, 09:31:45 AM »

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Nah, the Israelis are protected by the jewish lobby. The largest and most influential lobby there is in the US. Israel could pretty much torch the west bank and nothing would happen with the US support thanks to that lobby...

And there lies the roots of middle east terrorists

AKIron · « **Reply #29 on:** March 31, 2003, 09:32:57 AM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
But what could the tank do if they just stood their ground, no rock throwing no aggression just stood there - hundreds and hundreds of them? What could any weapon do? It could do nothing but kill them.

Rubber bullets or tear gas.