Author Topic: What planes do you absolutely hate? (Read 4008 times)

humble · « **Reply #75 on:** April 01, 2003, 10:26:44 AM »

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Originally posted by Vulcan
Jeeeeeeeeeezuz whats with the Tiffie-bashing?

I can remember when there was only me, Manedog, and Wardog who flew the tiffie!

Don't think this is a bash thread...more like a whine thread

Suave · « **Reply #76 on:** April 01, 2003, 10:35:44 AM »

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Originally posted by MANDOBLE
Proved?? yes, I've forgotten.

http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=48553&perpage=50&highlight=mandoland&pagenumber=1

Straight out of mandoland .

Ike 2K# · « **Reply #77 on:** April 01, 2003, 11:51:11 AM »

is there a way to fight a spit (spit 9) during turn-fights while you're in a 190 A8?

vorticon · « **Reply #78 on:** April 01, 2003, 11:54:52 AM »

yeah dont turn fight it

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #79 on:** April 01, 2003, 12:35:31 PM »

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Originally posted by MANDOBLE
Experience flying against them means you have killed a lot of them and/or you have died to them a lot of times also. Your % of success does not count when you have had so few encounters with 190s.

Since I've only been here for a little over a year, of course I don't have your vast experience in fighting the FW190

But let me see, I've enountered the FW190 (all variants) a total of 423 times in the MA and have only died by them 141 times (death tally includes deaths in bombers, GVs and fighters). Even without your vast experience, I seem to be able to handle any engagements against the FW190 quite fine and more often than not, end up the victor.

It would be much easier to show you in the DA, you're FW190 vs. my P-38L. I'm sure with your vast experience, you'd make short work of me

If you want to split hairs about experience, I've been fighting and shooting down FW190's for 10 years in various sims. I know that you're going to say that this isn't AW/WB so that experience doesn't count but like I said before ACM is ACM no matter the game. The same tactics used to shoot down the FW190 in AW/WB still work great in AH. And frankly, the best FW190 pilots I've encountered were in AW. I shudder to think what a guy like =BILL could do in here with the Dora, or Domen in the A-8.

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Better than talking so much, pick up a 190 for a tour and then came here with results.

One could say the same for you to do it in a Spitfire, N1K2 or any of the other planes you love to whine about.

I don't have to fly the FW190 for a tour to know what it can or can't do. I've fought against it for many years to know what it's capable of.

And from your comments about the various planes you whine so dramatically about, the same can't be said for you.

Ack-Ack

mia389 · « **Reply #80 on:** April 01, 2003, 12:36:34 PM »

and pray for a overshoot

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #81 on:** April 01, 2003, 12:49:12 PM »

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Originally posted by Ike 2K#
is there a way to fight a spit (spit 9) during turn-fights while you're in a 190 A8?

Yep Ike, if you have the initial angles advantage, and 300 mph ti play with, over a 300 mph or slower spit, you can pull a 180d turn following him and have a shooting opportunity before zooming vertical. In most cases, the spit will complete a 360d turn before following you in the vertical, this is your second, and probably last, chance of reversing and firing at him before angles and E are equalized. At this point A8 will be in a total dissadvantage if you keep into a turning battle.

AkAk, I talk about planes that I fight and kill or I'm killed by them more than 100 times per tour, not about planes that I rarely fight more than 10 times per tour. You comment about DA P38 vs D9 only confirms that you have no clue at all about the correct 190 operation in MA (and no, it is not keeping it at 400 mph while spraying and running). BTW, I talk about AH 190s, not about CFS/AW/WB/some nintendo or gameboy one.

udet · « **Reply #82 on:** April 01, 2003, 01:10:32 PM »

I think the La7 is the only plane in AH that defies the laws of physics. I saw it do things a plane shouldn't do

-HO...turns after me, catches me. I was flying straight and level in a plane supposedly faster than the La7
-Tried flying it once....I just like how it climbs at impossible angles of attack and still accelerating upwards.
Seriously now...something is wrong.

Widewing · « **Reply #83 on:** April 01, 2003, 01:10:44 PM »

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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
True, I've hardly flown the FW190 in the MA and that's because I rarely fly any other plane than the P-38L in the MA. As for experience fighting against them, why is that I win the majority of fights against them?
ack-ack

Let me give you one example of 190 tactics displayed by Mandoble, which actually annoyed me a bit on this occasion.

I took off from an Island field on the pizza map. I took up a P-51D with two 500 lb bombs and rockets. As I climb out headed towards a Bish field, I see a red dot on the field dar heading to where I had taken off. I also see a green dot in the area. Just to make sure it's not a buff formation about to pork the strats, I reverse and head back. As I arrive over the field I spot Mandoble hauling bellybutton in his Dora with a P-51 hot on his backside. Mandoble is heading towards me, so I pickle the ordnance and take a snapshot at the Mustang as it goes by. My rounds knock off one of its elevators. Reversing, I cut off the P-51 and force him to maneuver. Just as I saddle up for the kill, in roars Mandoble, nearly flying through me with tons of E and blasts the Mustang.

This was solid teamwork right up until the time when Mandoble decided that the best way to thank someone for clearing his six (and maybe saving his bellybutton too), was to snatch the easy kill.

Now, I don't know if that's typical behavior for Mandoble, or just a momentary lapse in judgement, but it sure doesn't encourage teammates to clear his tail. If you talk to some of my squadies, they would say that this IS typical Mandoble behavior.

Come to think of it, Ack-ack blasted my Ki-61 a few days ago. I was RTB with a pilot wound and lots of damage from some Spit dweeb that tried to HO me (the Spit V exploded for his trouble). Blacking out every 30 seconds or so, I finally headed for the field when I get an urgent sounding, "break Widewing, P-38 on ya!" Well, not being able to see all I could was try to turn... Too late.

It was a heck of a shot considering that he must have had a tough deflection angle.

This was just the second time in the past year that I encountered Ack-ack. That's too bad, cause it's always challenging to fight a P-38 piloted by someone who knows how to fly it.

My regards,

Widewing

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #84 on:** April 01, 2003, 01:39:25 PM »

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Originally posted by Widewing

Come to think of it, Ack-ack blasted my Ki-61 a few days ago. I was RTB with a pilot wound and lots of damage from some Spit dweeb that tried to HO me (the Spit V exploded for his trouble). Blacking out every 30 seconds or so, I finally headed for the field when I get an urgent sounding, "break Widewing, P-38 on ya!" Well, not being able to see all I could was try to turn... Too late.

It was a heck of a shot considering that he must have had a tough deflection angle.

This was just the second time in the past year that I encountered Ack-ack. That's too bad, cause it's always challenging to fight a P-38 piloted by someone who knows how to fly it.

My regards,

Widewing

~~Ack-Ack~~

Ike 2K# · « **Reply #85 on:** April 01, 2003, 01:54:52 PM »

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Originally posted by vorticon
yeah dont turn fight it (190 A8 vs Spit 9)

Is it possible to run away from the spit and go for the HO in 190 A8?

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #86 on:** April 01, 2003, 02:06:25 PM »

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Originally posted by Widewing
Now, I don't know if that's typical behavior for Mandoble, or just a momentary lapse in judgement

Widewing, probably I'm wrong because I remember the P51 and the rook P51, but not the name of the rook pilot (I can remember planes, but hardly names, perhaps it was you), but if the encounter is the same I remember, I was RTB lo on fuel with a P51 far at my six that took off from that field, not really a danger considering the distance, the big speed difference and that I was very light. In any case, that encounter may not be the one you described.

You may consider I reversed to steal a kill or just to help the alone rook P51 against the P51. BTW, your presentation and interpretation of the facts are very clear: to steal it.

About typical behaviours, I can remember some six cleaned while you were flying navy blue planes.

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #87 on:** April 01, 2003, 02:08:14 PM »

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Originally posted by MANDOBLE

AkAk, I talk about planes that I fight and kill or I'm killed by them more than 100 times per tour, not about planes that I rarely fight more than 10 times per tour. You comment about DA P38 vs D9 only confirms that you have no clue at all about the correct 190 operation in MA (and no, it is not keeping it at 400 mph while spraying and running). BTW, I talk about AH 190s, not about CFS/AW/WB/some nintendo or gameboy one.

Since more often than not, the FW190's I've encountered will usually run when encountered co-alt or when they've realized that they've bitten off more than they can chew. This is not to say that the FW190 is a bad plane, it's clearly not but the majority that fly aren't aggressive enough to the point of being timid. You know how many times I've encountered an FW190 co-alt that would just reverse and run and only come back and try to engage when they've seen me break off to look for other targets? Or those that come diving in with an altitude advantage and then run after their first pass because they couldn't get a quick kill? But the funniest time was when I was in a Ju-87D-3 on the deck and in come two FW190D-9s from 10,000ft and engage me. For 5 minutes I fought them off and shot them up pretty badly and they both ended up breaking off and leaving the fight. Maybe it's the leather chaps the FW190 pilots wear but when most enter that cockpit, it seems their testicle fortitude gets left behind in the hanger.

I hate to burst your bubble but experience, unlike scores, doesn't get reset at the end of every tour. Experience is accumalitive.

While AW/WB obviously have/had different flight models than AH, it does not take away the basic fact that tactics (in this case ACM) does not change, no matter what game you're flying in. A Hi Yo-Yo in AW is done the same way as you would do one in WB or AH. Why do you think that players that have come from other sims like AW and WB have a much easier time getting the hang of AH? It's because of experience that they've gained from playing AW/WB. In other words, it's accumulated knowledge.

Ack-Ack

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #88 on:** April 01, 2003, 02:13:54 PM »

Ok akak, your conclussion based on your encounters with 190s is clear, all they can do is just to keep running or diving while screaming all the time.

Based on my few encounters with P38 the conclussion would be also clear, all they can do is to dive from the stratosphere, spray like mad and go again to the stratosphere.

Urchin · « **Reply #89 on:** April 01, 2003, 02:20:17 PM »

I think I'm one of the better 190 pilots out here, but I'd disagree with the statement the 190 (any of them) is as easy to fly as an LA-7.

I think it is probably comparable to the Spit5 in 'skill level'- granted, the two take totally different 'skill sets' if you will, but the overall ability of the pilot has to be higher in a 190 to have the same success as one would in an LA-7.