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DeadOne · « **Reply #15 on:** April 01, 2003, 10:46:31 AM »

Lizard, I feel your comments are WAY out of line...

If you wanna go one on one, that's why HT created a dueling arena, Steve was trying to bail your buddy out and turn a 3 on 1 into a 2 on 2

I highly encourage anyone to come in and clean an enemies clock if he's near me... I will never turn away any help!

Steve · « **Reply #16 on:** April 01, 2003, 10:53:18 AM »

Lizard quote: "Why didn't you make a pass at those spits and see what developed? You said they were "coming in fast". How Fin fast is a 262? Naw, I think you got caught doin a dweebery and are now trying to justify it in your own mind. "

Lizard, the spits were a few seconds away from merging.. how "fast" they were was not really relevent. I could have merged HO with the spits... but I'm not gonna HO in any plane if I can avoid it. And an HO certainly wouldn't have tied up both spits. No, I still feel ts's best chance to win was for me to free him up so he could engage the spits. As for justifying it in my mind: I felt plenty justified when the spits arrived and ts still hadn't killed the 38. You seem to think I'm implying ts isn't a good stick or a nice guy.... I'm not saying either.. I don't know the guy. I am saying though, what I experienced.

Lizard quote: "I'd be allitle surly myself if I didn't get to fly all that much but when I do some jerkoff in a jet tries to steal my kill I've worked hard to set up. All just to help me out!"

Lizard, no problem buddy, next time I see you saddled up on one, two, or even five planes, I'll stay out.. I'd hate to steal one of your kills.

Lizard quote: "So whats your problem anyway? Why come here and post this? Feeling guilty? Or are you just scared he might come here first and call you a dweeb? Sorry, ts wouldn't do that. I would though. "

Actually, I just thought it was an interesting story.. a little anecdote to chat about with my fellow sim pilots. Thanks for contributing, nice chatting with you.

ccvi · « **Reply #17 on:** April 01, 2003, 11:23:31 AM »

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Originally posted by Steve
It's not like I could engage them in a turnfight to keep their attention.

It's not that difficult to keep anyones attention when flying a 262

BigGun · « **Reply #18 on:** April 01, 2003, 11:40:57 AM »

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Originally posted by Lizard3
ts is a squadie of mine. A good guy and a dam good stick.

I don't know about all this other whiney dribble stuff, but I had the fortune of tangling with TS couple times & can affirm the good stick part. First couple times, my big dumb mistake, got roped, not once but twice. Came back for more punishment, at the merge going about 350 in a typhoon figured would just fly by & separate. Was amazed at how fast he flipped that 38 around & was 500 on my 6. Was only like couple seconds. Would love to learn that trick. Anyway, ~~to TS.~~

Steve · « **Reply #19 on:** April 01, 2003, 11:46:13 AM »

ccvi.. I wouldn't know.. I rarely fly them.
Do you really think I could have completely occupied 2 spits that were 1000 feet over a teammate that had a bad guy hard on his 6? Well, maybe you could. You have a lot of experience in one, based on what you said... I'm not any good in a 262. Got in a 1v1 with one that night... some guy named Warkhawk handed me my arse. Guess I'll just stick to prop jobs.

bockko · « **Reply #20 on:** April 01, 2003, 11:50:09 AM »

if a guy gets mouthy about stealing a kill then whines when he is left alone, that's a whine. if i am in a 262 i sure as hell am not going to tangle with two spits...at 5k. ts may be a good stick and good guy, but if i made a pass and then got told off, i would let him alone...can't read minds, ain't gonna try.

Soda · « **Reply #21 on:** April 01, 2003, 01:51:03 PM »

Steve,
Why did you even bother to post this in the first place, did TS bruise your ego in such a way that you are looking for affirmation from the community?

I think your plan was flawed, btw. If TS was low E dealing with a P-38, then nailing it when the enemy Spits were entering icon range likely wouldn't have helped him much. As it was, he nailed the P38 ( you say it died and don't mention any other friendlies) and got jumped by the Spits in turn. The smart play would have been to evaluate TS situation and then turn your attention to the Spits. The Spits were more danger to everyone around, including yourself, so why not try and draw them off and bleed them out a bit of energy. The "perk-Dementia" in the MA is intense and at the first sign of your 262 they'd have likely forgotten all about their buddy in the P-38. As it was, TS must have killed the 38 before they got there anyway. The smart play would have been to evaluate TS to ensure he had the P38 bagged, then tie up the Spits while TS had an opportunity to rebuild his energy. Then gang up on the Spits. I figure since you had a 262 you had no intention of really mixing it up with the Spits and wanted TS as bait anyway. Best to keep your bait alive then so he can tie them up and you can slash through them with your 30mm.

-Soda

WldThing · « **Reply #22 on:** April 01, 2003, 02:19:52 PM »

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Originally posted by BigGun
I don't know about all this other whiney dribble stuff, but I had the fortune of tangling with TS couple times & can affirm the good stick part.

I agree.

And Get over it.

ccvi · « **Reply #23 on:** April 01, 2003, 02:31:21 PM »

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Originally posted by Steve
ccvi.. I wouldn't know.. I rarely fly them.
Do you really think I could have completely occupied 2 spits that were 1000 feet over a teammate that had a bad guy hard on his 6? Well, maybe you could. You have a lot of experience in one, based on what you said... I'm not any good in a 262. Got in a 1v1 with one that night... some guy named Warkhawk handed me my arse. Guess I'll just stick to prop jobs.

Me experienced in a 262? lol!

But I do know that every enemy you get closer to than 2000 yards will break off whatever goal he's currently pursuing and try to go after you. Should be enough to keep 2 Spits busy

Steve · « **Reply #24 on:** April 01, 2003, 02:35:23 PM »

Soda, thanks for your take on the scenario. I love your plane evals... wonderful stuff.. I personally appreciate you taking the time to not just eval the planes, but to actually type that all.

Soda quote:"Why did you even bother to post this in the first place, did TS bruise your ego in such a way that you are looking for affirmation from the community?"

I'm not really sure how ego had any part to play here, so I don't really understand your question. It appears as just another jab at me, much like your friend lizard.

Soda quote: "The "perk-Dementia" in the MA is intense and at the first sign of your 262 they'd have likely forgotten all about their buddy in the P-38."

You could be right there. Maybe it's just me but when in a multi target fight, I consider the 262 as one of the least threatening almost every time. I mean, all you have to do is keep tabs on it and evade if it targets you on a pass. Maybe I'm guilty of assuming the spit pilots didn't recognize that they had plenty of time to whack ts while I revved and came back

Soda quote: As it was, TS must have killed the 38 before they got there anyway.

No, as I've posted more than once:"....the spits arrived and ts still hadn't killed the 38."

Soda quote:"As it was, he nailed the P38 ( you say it died and don't mention any other friendlies)"

Actually in my original post I said: "A low fight ensued with a rook pony joining the fray. The enemy p38 died eventually, whether to the rook pony or to ts I'm not sure. "

So there was indeed another friendly there.

Soda quote: "I figure since you had a 262 you had no intention of really mixing it up with the Spits and wanted TS as bait anyway.

You're right, I didn't want to mix it up with the spits, thinking that was futile. I didn't intend to use ts as bait...hadn't thought of it to be honest. But I did feel ts was about to be in a tight spot and wanted to knock down bad guys as expediently as possible.

Soda quote:"I think your plan was flawed, btw.

You could be absolutely right, I have little experience in a 262.

Soda quote"...tie up the Spits while TS had an opportunity to rebuild his energy."

How? Although I don't intend to fly a 262 much, I'd like to know more about how to fly it.

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #25 on:** April 01, 2003, 02:41:32 PM »

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Originally posted by gofaster
I used to have vox until I installed DirectX 9.0 and my soundcard choked. I've got a new card on order that should arrive in a few days. Until then, I fly with one hand and type with the other. Soundblaster Live 5.1 is old news as soon as the Turtle Beach card arrives.

Uninstall DirectX 9 and reinstall DirectX 8.x.

ack-ack

Steve · « **Reply #26 on:** April 01, 2003, 03:43:37 PM »

Lol Wldthing. I do not think ts is going to get over it. Remember, ts said, "I'll remember that."

I know you are suggestiong that I "get over it". I guess I'd have to be irked about something to get over it. I'm amused at the outcome of the original fight, but not really irked about anything. Don't worry Wldthing I DO know where you are coming from.

Midnight · « **Reply #27 on:** April 01, 2003, 03:45:15 PM »

Steve

I would have done the same thing you did. Try to kill the 38 and make it a 2-v-2 fight (you and ts) vs (enemy spits)

In a defense situation like you are describing, I believe it is better to kill the easiest one first especially if it can be done with a BnZ pass that will conserve energy.

In this case, you don't have time to tulips if ts had the advantage in the fight, or if he did, how close he was to killing that P38.

If the P38 had won the fight against TS, then you could have been left in a 3-v-1 (had you chose to intercept the spits directly and been sucked into a low E turn.

It's possible TS was about to win, but again, it doesn't sound like you had time to wait and see. In my eyes, if there are more than 2 aircraft in icon range on one side of the fight, there is no such thing as 1-v-1. So in your example 2 friendlies and 3 enemy, there is no 1-v-1 (even if it had been originally a 1-v-1 with just ts and the P38)

Personally, I like it when another friendly comes in to lend a hand when it is needed. The only time I get upset is when I am clearly (or about to) and someone starts shooting over my shoulder.

Soda · « **Reply #28 on:** April 01, 2003, 03:58:03 PM »

Steve,
It was obvious you were irked, so much so that you came to the forum and posted about it for everyone to read. You seem to want people to pass judgement or something, or maybe you can explain why you bothered to post it in the first place if not? Was it to try and label TS or something, that would be silly, flown with him 100 times and wouldn't take your opinion on that. I would have thought that your conversation with TS would have been enough after the encounter, you could form your own opinion, and not have to share it with the whole board. I mean, unless you were there (which you happen to be), then how was anyone really supposed to comment in your post?

As for the response, entirely depends on the situation and what type of communication you had with TS when you engaged. I probably would have vox'd TS and not just dove in to engage. You can be pretty sure if anyone needs help and gets asked they will invite it. I likely would have tied up the Spits as long as I didn't get the impression that TS was in trouble with the P-38. The solo 262 is a bad Spit killer anyway, they will always simply try to HO you if you are the only person around. If you aren't the only person around, then it's great, all you have to do is come in at 500mph out of nowhere, cross icon range before their SA adjusts, and smack them.

-Soda

Steve · « **Reply #29 on:** April 01, 2003, 04:25:04 PM »

Soda, I found the situation to be amusing. I have been trying to play nice but since you seem to want things to be antagonistic so be it, here goes: I thought it was pretty damned funny that one of your squaddies squeaked that I entered his fight, then ordered me out in a rude manner, got his arse waxed, then whined that I didn't help him. It strikes me as quite funny, not irksome get it?
It was quite satisfying to watch his rude arse go down in flames. And apparently, others on the board would have done the same thing I did. Now, ts may be in line for the nobel prize of great guys, I have no idea. I was just relating an amusing tale. If it bothers you because it shows one of your squaddies in what you perceive as a bad light... too damned bad. now go away.