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Offline Boroda

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Situation in Afghanistan
« on: April 01, 2003, 11:11:22 AM »
Here is an article in Russian about current situation in Afghanistan:

http://irak.ru/news/analitika/2003/3/31/1988.html

At least Miko can read it.

Brief summary:

Situation completely out of control there. Americans hold only several bases or camps. Several large groups of special forces and marines eliminated in ambushes.

Pushtu, who feel they are removed from key positons, openly oppose Americans and fight to get them back. Talibs formed an alliance with Gulbetdin Hekmatiar to fight US forces. Overall American casualities in Afghanistan have reached 3000 (probably a mistype, or a lie).

Skipping all the rest (internal political situation in the US and "advices" for Russian government how to fight agressors better).

Are there any reliable sources about the state of affairs in Afghanistan?

What about an operation started by US command just before invasion in Iraq started? Any reports?

Looks like world press is keeping silence about it?...

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« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2003, 11:13:01 AM »
ROTFL.....
Of course, I only see what he posts here and what he does in the MA.  I know virtually nothing about the man.  I think its important for people to realize that we don't really know squat about each other.... definately not enough to use words like "hate".

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Re: Situation in Afghanistan
« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2003, 11:14:32 AM »
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Originally posted by Boroda
Here is an article in Russian about current situation in Afghanistan:

http://irak.ru/news/analitika/2003/3/31/1988.html

At least Miko can read it.

Brief summary:

Situation completely out of control there. Americans hold only several bases or camps. Several large groups of special forces and marines eliminated in ambushes.

Pushtu, who feel they are removed from key positons, openly oppose Americans and fight to get them back. Talibs formed an alliance with Gulbetdin Hekmatiar to fight US forces. Overall American casualities in Afghanistan have reached 3000 (probably a mistype, or a lie).

Skipping all the rest (internal political situation in the US and "advices" for Russian government how to fight agressors better).

Are there any reliable sources about the state of affairs in Afghanistan?

What about an operation started by US command just before invasion in Iraq started? Any reports?

Looks like world press is keeping silence about it?...


Looks correct, just about 20 years old is all. ;)

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« Reply #3 on: April 01, 2003, 11:15:49 AM »
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Overall American casualities in Afghanistan have reached 3000 (probably a mistype, or a lie).

If it's a mistype it's a pretty significant one.  And if you think it might be a lie why post the link at all?  When US forces take casualties it is not too easy to hide it.  Families are notified quickly.  Any other propaganda sites you'd like to share with us?

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« Reply #4 on: April 01, 2003, 11:19:23 AM »
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Looks correct, just about 20 years old is all. ;)


LOL - beat me to it.  :D

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« Reply #5 on: April 01, 2003, 11:29:04 AM »
So - no news about how things are going in Afghanistan?

Or maybe there is some info in the media? I just want to know.

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« Reply #6 on: April 01, 2003, 11:39:03 AM »
I was watching an interview show on Sunday (on I think MSNBC)  where a former General and an author were both discussing Afghanistan.  According to them the number of troops in Afghanistan is far too low for "nation building".  They are able to maintain order for the most part, and they are quite able to defend themselves when needed, but both speakers agreed that they need more manpower to ensure the stability of the new government, to prevent local thugs from exercising power.

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« Reply #7 on: April 01, 2003, 11:44:23 AM »
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So - no news about how things are going in Afghanistan?

Or maybe there is some info in the media? I just want to know.


Privet Boroda!

globalsecurity.org collects news stories on military topics. You can usually find Afghanistan information in their daily collections:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/news/2003/03/index.html

[edit] btw, if you like propaganda, check out some of the government editorials from the VOA (voice of America) that they collect.
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« Last Edit: April 01, 2003, 11:52:34 AM by Sikboy »
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« Reply #8 on: April 01, 2003, 11:53:02 AM »
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Originally posted by funkedup
I was watching an interview show on Sunday (on I think MSNBC)  where a former General and an author were both discussing Afghanistan.  According to them the number of troops in Afghanistan is far too low for "nation building".  They are able to maintain order for the most part, and they are quite able to defend themselves when needed, but both speakers agreed that they need more manpower to ensure the stability of the new government, to prevent local thugs from exercising power.


That's something, thanks Funked!

Any details on the declared "operation" in the media?

BTW, what did they mean by "nation building"? How many more troops do they need? Given the fact that USSR had the whole 40th Army there, plus many other troops, having support of Aghani regular army and police, and people knowing that Shuravi are good men?

Able to maintain order for the most part of what? Kabul? What are the current numbers of US troops there? How many provinces do they control? What is the situation with local warlords, not nessesary being Mujaheddin?

What about "traditional" ethnic conflicts between Pushtu, Uzbeks and Tajiks?

So far I see a usual media trouble failing to focus on more then one "event" (if you can call an intervention in Iraq an "event"). More to say, I see that media gets tired of the war news. On March, 20th, 99% of news were from Iraq or "coalition", their ambassadors and representatives, and now we see more local news then war reports.

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« Reply #9 on: April 01, 2003, 11:57:08 AM »

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« Reply #10 on: April 01, 2003, 11:59:54 AM »
Spasibo, Sickboy! :)

Great site, interesting to compare some things with Ramzaj's "reports".

As for VoA, I was already sick of them when I listened to them through the jammers on short waves in mid-80s. I loved their reports about Chernobyl' victims, they stopped only when they reached 100,000 dead. Reports from Afghanistan were funny too, losses no less then 100 servicemen killed daily... That GRU reports are priceless just as a little revenge for cold-war propaganda ;)

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« Reply #11 on: April 01, 2003, 12:41:27 PM »
I know when I read the Moscow News at my college library in the early '80's, I didn't have to do it through jammers!  It was provided there free of charge!

I'll admit that VoA is propoganda, just as the Moscow News was, but at least it was readily availible for me to read.

Boroda,
What does that say about the different governmental practices of our two societies during the '80's?

More importantly, what does that say about the type of system that you seem to be nostalgic about?  

I'll apologize ahead of time if I misinterpeted some of your posts as wishing for the old communist system back in your country.

It is my strong belief that a thriving Middle Class is what brings prosperiety and stability to any country.

That may sound very capitalistic, but I do believe this.

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« Reply #12 on: April 01, 2003, 12:42:36 PM »
Its time to send in the Jedi Knights in their black Humvees.