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Offline Vermillion

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« Reply #45 on: April 04, 2003, 09:54:21 AM »
Well, I agree that "white powder" found in vials could be many, many things.  And its dumb to jump to conclusions.

But the "atropine" is used for many purposes arguement is pure bull crap.  Atropine found in military grade/style injectors (single dose, auto-injecting, spring loaded containers) is only used for one thing.  And that is chemical warfare.  If you've ever had chemical warfare training (and yes, I have) you would know that using such devices is a brute force method to delivering an antidote and is reportedly quite painful.  Not something you would use in a medical setting.

If it was intended for civilian purposes it would be in normal glass vials used for other medicines, and injected with normal syringes.  Sorry Straffo, but it makes me think that your lossing perspective a little bit when you start defending things like the atropine.   Questioning people's interpretation on "mysterious powder" is one thing, the atropine is totally another :(

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« Reply #46 on: April 04, 2003, 10:07:45 AM »
I'm picturing the townsfolk in the Frankenstein Movie.......


"Its Straffo!!! Get him!!!"

LOL.... funny chit.

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« Reply #47 on: April 04, 2003, 11:51:42 AM »
Vermillion - Straffo simply posted information about Centralite after the MSNBC report mentions the factory makes the stuff. As for the atropine, there is no mention of in what form it took, whether in bulk or in one shot applicators.

I think you, along with many other in this thread, are losing any sense of objective judgement. It's always best to wait and see with these things - all the materials are being sent to independent labs for analysis.
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« Reply #48 on: April 04, 2003, 11:52:23 AM »
THATS WHERE MY FLOUR WENT!
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« Reply #49 on: April 04, 2003, 12:00:02 PM »
I don't undertstand Verm ?

I've not defended anything I've just say what could have been this crates with white power and post an article about the usage of atropine nothing more than information.

I'm not the one jumping on conclusion but I think Eagler,NUKE and JoeSmoe are reading this information in a biased manner without using their "tool".

Btw JoeSmoe after reading your comment I'll ask to put your name in the top of the brain transplant list.
« Last Edit: April 04, 2003, 12:18:43 PM by straffo »

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« Reply #50 on: April 04, 2003, 12:49:09 PM »
there is nothing even vaugely wrong with atropine. every military in the world has it . it had no offensive use lol.


and isnt this the second time you boys screamed chembio weapons. the first time you were half cocked and wrong after listening to the "never mind a confirmation" fox news.

hope you are this time also.

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« Reply #51 on: April 04, 2003, 12:51:28 PM »
Just seen it confirmed on the BBC - it's official:
The white powder is Tony Blair's stash. That man's been looking more and more fried every time I've seen him over the past 6 months. Reckon he's just put in an advanced "cache" for when him & Dubya rule Iraq. The atropine is apparently just in case he OD's or if he just needs some variety and doesn't need to read anything for about 6 weeks.
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« Reply #52 on: April 04, 2003, 01:01:17 PM »
oops ... I've just understood your post Verm...

My hypothesis was that in case of gas produced by centralite atropine can be used ...

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« Reply #53 on: April 04, 2003, 01:34:10 PM »
Dowding, every time they have showed footage of the Atropine thats been discovered, its been in the standard military injectors.  Cigar sized and shaped plastic containers, which you pull off the safety caps, and jab against your thigh in one rapid motion.  It then releases a large spring loaded needle ( you would swear it was actually a ten penny nail ;) ) with enough force to pentrate both a chemical warfare suit and the standard fatigues simultaneously, and rapidly inject you with the presurrized atropine.

Straffo, maybe it was due to the language barrier. But it seemed to me that you were suggesting that atropine is a common item used in common medicine.  And that the Americans and the reporters were just using its existence, and the white powder  for hype.  In a sense dismissing its presence as something that should not be considered significant.

And as someone else pointed out, atropine is not an offensive item.  But finding large quantities of both chemical warfare suits, and atropine in many locations does tend to make me and many other suspicious.  I won't even bring up the fact that many of the chemical warfare suits and atropine units found so far, were manufactured since the last gulf war,  which was a definite violation of the UN Embargo on items of a military nature, and a corruption of the Oil for Food program.

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« Reply #54 on: April 04, 2003, 02:10:14 PM »
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Straffo, maybe it was due to the language barrier. But it seemed to me that you were suggesting that atropine is a common item used in common medicine. And that the Americans and the reporters were just using its existence, and the white powder for hype. In a sense dismissing its presence as something that should not be considered significant.


No ,it was not my aim I just wanted to correlate to information,doing the part no journalist will ever do ...

1st information the centralite aspect , 2nd it's toxicity when buring and 3rd the presence of Atropine.


But I can admit I was biased as last week I was in the plant of a customer producing some very dangerous product*, when discuting security with the team I was meeting they showed me their emergency equipement and among the NBC protections their was some Atropine in the very same package used by the Army or the emergency services.

* don't ask me what  I've not a single idea :)

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« Reply #55 on: April 04, 2003, 02:27:45 PM »
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Originally posted by straffo
I don't undertstand Verm ?

I've not defended anything I've just say what could have been this crates with white power and post an article about the usage of atropine nothing more than information.

I'm not the one jumping on conclusion but I think Eagler,NUKE and JoeSmoe are reading this information in a biased manner without using their "tool".

Btw JoeSmoe after reading your comment I'll ask to put your name in the top of the brain transplant list.


So Straffo, if someone else wants to guess what the powder is they are just jumping to conclusions...... but you are just saying what you think it might be and that's somehow different?

By the way, you are the one who implied that the powder was Centralite. No one else even guessed what it was.

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« Reply #56 on: April 04, 2003, 02:38:15 PM »
I'm sorry NUKE but you are wrong ,I didn't say it was centralite ,it's in the headline of the linked article :

http://www.msnbc.com/news/895392.asp?0cv=CB10&cp1=1

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The Latifiyah Explosives and Ammunition Plant, seen here last September, is where U.S. troops found suspicious white powder. The factory is known to produce centralite, a military chemical, and U.N. inspectors had checked it out several times for weapons of mass destruction.

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« Reply #57 on: April 04, 2003, 02:40:17 PM »
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Originally posted by straffo
I'm sorry NUKE but you are wrong ,I didn't say it was centralite ,it's in the headline of the linked article :

http://www.msnbc.com/news/895392.asp?0cv=CB10&cp1=1


The original link on your first post had nothing to do with your last link.  Nice try Straffo

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« Reply #58 on: April 04, 2003, 02:43:37 PM »
Ethyl centralite
http://www.main.co.il/mainweb/products1/fine/ethyl-centralite.asp

Here is your original link Straffo. This was posted before any information was known other than white powder was found in thousands of boxes , 3 viles per box.

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« Reply #59 on: April 04, 2003, 02:50:19 PM »
sorry NUKE you are wrong again it's the 3rd post of this thread :

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Better english here:

http://www.msnbc.com/news/895392.asp?0cv=CB10


it's not mine ,the day I'll pretend being Hortlund you will have to kill me to end my pain.