Author Topic: The Iraq-Al Queda connection (Read 2543 times)

NUKE · « **Reply #15 on:** April 04, 2003, 02:34:29 PM »

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Originally posted by straffo
I will always be surprised by your incredible talent to look stupid Hortlund.

NUKE you are stupid ,idiot or both ?

Would you care to elaborate Straffo?

Hortlund · « **Reply #16 on:** April 04, 2003, 02:36:22 PM »

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Originally posted by miko2d
Didn't your country ply nazi with iron ore while his country

We did much more than that miko. We sold them ball bearings, in fact it was Swedish ball bearings that kept the German war industry going after Schweinfurt, we sold that iron ore, yes, lots of it too, but not only that, we escorted their freighters transporting that ore and those ball bearings in the Baltic, we allowed them to fly courier flights in our airspace, we let them use our railways for transit traffic, we had volounteers fighting with both the Germans (in the Waffen SS) and with the Finns (In special Swedish units) we bought weapons from them, and we sold weapons to them, we bought food from them and we sold food to them.

Yes, one might even say we were a passive ally to Germany up until 1944. So we sided with Germany, so what? Our motivation was the same as the Finns, a common enemy (USSR).

Hortlund · « **Reply #17 on:** April 04, 2003, 02:37:01 PM »

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Originally posted by straffo

Were is the Al-Asam part ?
Not in the suburbs of Bagdad ... but more in a region controlled by the Kurds ...

Is it in Iraq?

straffo · « **Reply #18 on:** April 04, 2003, 02:41:09 PM »

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Originally posted by NUKE
Would you care to elaborate Straffo?

well I over reacted to this post :

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Originally posted by NUKE
With all due respect Ripsnort, I cannot beleive this until Straffo has confirmed this.

I'm sorry I shouldn't have exploded.
Please accept my apologies.

btw the presence of Al Anssar in this region is now since 2/3 years now.

-dead- · « **Reply #19 on:** April 04, 2003, 02:41:48 PM »

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Originally posted by Hortlund
Shouldnt you go surrender to something straffo?

If we're going on patriotic sterotyping - shouldn't you keep out of the argument all together?

straffo · « **Reply #20 on:** April 04, 2003, 02:45:13 PM »

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Originally posted by Hortlund
Is it in Iraq?

Explain why is it logicaly possible to consider the Kurds as allied when they have some extremist bull**** in their backyard for years ... and in the same time attack Iraq pretending they are supporting extremist muslim in the same kurdish region they don't control .

I'm waiting for your scientific demonstration anxiously.

miko2d · « **Reply #21 on:** April 04, 2003, 02:48:56 PM »

Hortlund: So we sided with Germany, so what?

So maybe you should stop trying to offend the country that at least tried to fight nazi and was defeated - unless you still support nazi positions, of course, in which case your hostility is understandable.
I am not even discussing whether your country would have put up a better fight in a war than France did.

miko

Hortlund · « **Reply #22 on:** April 04, 2003, 02:56:44 PM »

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Originally posted by miko2d
Hortlund: So we sided with Germany, so what?

So maybe you should stop trying to offend the country that at least tried to fight nazi and was defeated - unless you still support nazi positions, of course, in which case your hostility is understandable.
I am not even discussing whether your country would have put up a better fight in a war than France did.

miko

If you want to open up some weird "lets compare how our well our respective armies fought in various battles through the cource of history"-discussion, go right ahead. The only one who has anything to be ashamed of there is Straffo.

If you want to open up some "you should really be ashamed over what your country did before you were born"-argument, then you should really take a look at the Soviet track record before jumping down on the Swedish position in ww2.

If you want to claim that France at least tried to fight against Germany in ww2 and they should be respected for that...fine, you go ahead and respect them all you want. Let me just point out that they did fight with Germany in ww2 too, so dont get too enthusiastic...

So anyway...what will it be?

Hortlund · « **Reply #23 on:** April 04, 2003, 03:02:25 PM »

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Originally posted by straffo
Explain why is it logicaly possible to consider the Kurds as allied when they have some extremist bull**** in their backyard for years ... and in the same time attack Iraq pretending they are supporting extremist muslim in the same kurdish region they don't control .

wtf do the Kurds have to do with this? There is no Kurdish backyard you idiot.

Just because an area is "kurdish" on a map over ethniticity, it doesnt mean it is controlled by kurds.

miko2d · « **Reply #24 on:** April 04, 2003, 03:03:39 PM »

Hortlund: If you want to open up some "you should really be ashamed over what your country did before you were born"-argument, then you should really take a look at the Soviet track record before jumping down on the Swedish position in ww2.

True, soviets did some terrible things. But then again, I was not the one offending other people because their countries suffered for doing the honorable thing fifty years ago. Same goes for respect, btw.

Myself, I claim neither guilt nor credit nor superiority over someone based on what my or his country ever did. Nor offer them offence beause of that. You do.

miko

miko2d · « **Reply #25 on:** April 04, 2003, 03:05:01 PM »

Hortlund: Just because an area is "kurdish" on a map over ethniticity, it doesnt mean it is controlled by kurds.

No, not becasue it is marked "kurdish" on a map. But becasue it is really controlled by kurds.

miko

straffo · « **Reply #26 on:** April 04, 2003, 03:06:51 PM »

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Originally posted by Hortlund
wtf do the Kurds have to do with this? There is no Kurdish backyard you idiot.

Just because an area is "kurdish" on a map over ethniticity, it doesnt mean it is controlled by kurds.

it is darling.

Hortlund · « **Reply #27 on:** April 04, 2003, 03:07:24 PM »

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Originally posted by miko2d
No, not becasue it is marked "kurdish" on a map. But becasue it is really controlled by kurds.

Exactly. If you look at the map posted in this thread, the area marked as Kurdish was definitively NOT kurdish controlled before the invasion.

miko2d · « **Reply #28 on:** April 04, 2003, 03:10:36 PM »

Hortlund: Exactly. If you look at the map posted in this thread, the area marked as Kurdish was definitively NOT kurdish controlled before the invasion.

I wouldn't claim it is precise. It is accurate in general. Large part of that area was controlled by the Kurds. Definitely not Kirkuk nor Mosul.
Certainly the parts around the Ansar Al-Islam-held region. I've been watching that group for a couple of years now.

miko

Hortlund · « **Reply #29 on:** April 04, 2003, 03:13:39 PM »

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Originally posted by miko2d
True, soviets did some terrible things. But then again, I was not the one offending other people because their countries suffered for doing the honorable thing fifty years ago. Same goes for respect, btw.

Myself, I claim neither guilt nor credit nor superiority over someone based on what my or his country ever did. Nor offer them offence beause of that. You do.

miko

Well, as you might have noticed, I'm having real problems respecting France and the French lately. Frankly I think almost everyone feels the same way more or less (except the French guys themselves presumably).

And what exactly was "the honourable thing" France did 50 years ago? I mean after all not only did they surrender, they also fought on the German side. Where is the honour in that?

As for me, true, I am proud over my country and our history. Frankly I dont see anything wrong with that.