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« Reply #15 on: April 07, 2003, 09:27:35 AM »
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Boroda why you so harsh on the people the ACTUALLY supplied you weapons so you can fight the germans in WW2.....
 


Dude...really...

I mean I'm not exactly the most pro-russian poster on these forums, but even I was offended by that one. Please get an education on ww2 before posting drivel like that.

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« Reply #16 on: April 07, 2003, 09:30:34 AM »
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I say thank you americans for canned pork and telephone wire.  Also thank you for letting us finish nazis without the long-awaited second front, opened only when nazis were alredy doomed.
 


You really should say thank you for the radio sets, locomotives, trucks and boots though. They were a heck of alot more important than you seem to want to admit...especially the radio sets.

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« Reply #17 on: April 07, 2003, 09:30:39 AM »
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Boroda you don't seem to realize the obvious:  Iraqis don't want to fight for Hussein.  Not even against Yankee Imperialists wearing Nazi helmets.

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I don't know. Let's see. You seriously underestimate their desperation to fight for their land.

Another thing is that the commander/partizan/guerrila who will become famous for his heroism and achevements fighting the agressors will have better chances to become a leader of the post-war Iraq, in case a "democratic" puppet givernment will not last long.

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« Reply #18 on: April 07, 2003, 09:33:07 AM »
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Originally posted by SLO
Boroda why you so harsh on the people the ACTUALLY supplied you weapons so you can fight the germans in WW2.....

is that how you say thank you in Russia....

stop finger pointing.....its useless.


I dont want take position on this, but can someone please point me on some site where I can see numbers about this support?

For sure it was very important, but in someway seem an exageration, looking at the amount of men the Russian Army had in WW2, to say that they were armed by US weapons "each one of them".

On a side note, the lifes that the russian sacrificed to "erode" and almost disintegrate the mighty German army were'nt enough "deal" for you? :confused:

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My point is:

There was a common enemy, Russia contributed with some production effort, and an HUGE effort in human lifes, and structural damage, while, on the other side, US and UK contributed with their huge industries, and with their efforts to disrupt the industrial capability of Germany, until they opened a second front, drawing away almost 1/3 of the forces Germany had to deploy.

It was a common effort, costly for each part involved, and each one payed the bill, I dont see why someone can claim the "most credit" (make sense?).
« Last Edit: April 07, 2003, 09:39:54 AM by Naso »

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« Reply #19 on: April 07, 2003, 09:36:17 AM »
He said he didn't mean it.

BTW... some of those "poor tankers" are showering in the Presidential Palace.

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« Reply #20 on: April 07, 2003, 09:36:52 AM »
Slo is canadian he was being sarcastic

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« Reply #21 on: April 07, 2003, 09:37:56 AM »
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You really should say thank you for the radio sets, locomotives, trucks and boots though. They were a heck of alot more important than you seem to want to admit...especially the radio sets.


I just mentioned the very important but least mentioned thing, and the thing that was most common-known by Soviet people.

IMO the really most important thing were trucks. By 1942 we had some nice radios and other radio equipment, including radars. And field communications were based on telephones. Phone lines are widely used even now, being immune to modern ECM :) The simplier - the better.

Lend-Lease was important, but there is no doubt that USSR could win the war without it. Second front in Europe in 1943 (as promised) could be much more helpfull...

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« Reply #22 on: April 07, 2003, 09:59:01 AM »
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Lend-Lease was important, but there is no doubt that USSR could win the war without it.

Disagree. I'm not saying lend-lease was crucial for the victory, but

I am not entirely convinced that the soviets would have won  without it. Just two examples are the soviet tank losses in 43, without lend lease you would have had negative numbers for 43, that is bad. Or Bagration 1944, no way would you have been able to advance that far that fast without the lend lease trucks.

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« Reply #23 on: April 07, 2003, 10:08:51 AM »
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Last things I heard on the radio before leaving home was the Echo of Moscow radio special correspondent saying he sees American tanks and soldiers in nazi-like helmets on the other side of Tigris. That guy is really brave.


I think that special correspondent is reporting from the warmth of his studio, located somewhere in Moscow.

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« Reply #24 on: April 07, 2003, 10:23:13 AM »
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Disagree. I'm not saying lend-lease was crucial for the victory, but

I am not entirely convinced that the soviets would have won  without it. Just two examples are the soviet tank losses in 43, without lend lease you would have had negative numbers for 43, that is bad. Or Bagration 1944, no way would you have been able to advance that far that fast without the lend lease trucks.


There are no "what if"s in history. Lend-leased tanks were not as critical as trucks and (hmm) telephone wire. The best thing Soviet tankers said about Sherman was that it's a "great tank for peace time service".

Lend-Lease really helped, and without it Vicotry could cost more lives and effort... But I hope that USSR could win anyway. It was the war for the survival for all the nations of USSR...

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« Reply #25 on: April 07, 2003, 10:25:43 AM »
and the money given to your country in financial aid since the berlin wall came down means nothing either right? those nasty americans are just trying to invade or steal your country right?
The Americans are the men in black slowly subjigating us with drugs in their macdonalds burgers!! The more we eat the more we are hooked on that terrible horror to humanity!

sheesh learn to appreciate SOMETHING will you?

what if we left Russia without aid or political help during that time of change borohda. Your country would have had even more wars and independance battles. Whether you want to admit it or not the way we live in the west isnt so terrible is it? We maybe are controlled somewhat by the governments but not on the personal level.We have a say in who we want to lead us forward and we constantly try to improve things and whats more we are unlikely to be executed or tortured for not agreeing with our governments.We (UK) dont invade anyone but we will fight whoever threatens us. The same cant be said of many other countries since WW2. Most of Europe and the US enjoy a very similar way of life and it is pretty damn good. When your country expressed the feeling they wanted these same freedoms we helped to secure it best we could.You seem to have the freedom but now its a case of trying to rectify what your regime of communism actually produced rather than the beliefs which shaped the ideals of communism. The actual theory is a wonderful dream , all people equal etc but in reality it meant your leaders were able to control and restrict its people. Now you have democracy you can go anywhere in the world , do whatever you want within the limits of your earnings. It is certainly not the west that is responsible for the collapse of your economy years back but those same leaders which misused their power. I have absolutely NO animosity toward Russians for cold war stuff and you know what , if you've  met many Americans you would know they dont either.We realise it was the people in power not the average Russian.The same cannot be said of what you think of us it seems as you do nothing in these boards but try to make Americans out as war mongers. Do you not see that those that call for war and those that dont both have the freedom to demonstrate and both have the power to vote on or off that government in the very next ellection if they feel they are ignored.
All the west really wants is a safe planet on which to earn money and lead an even more enjoyable lifestyle. Hopefully along the way we wont lose sight of our humanity and we will continue to help as best we can those countries which need help. We ALL have to do our bit for that. By making sure we vote in the right people, its open to abuse sure but its still free elections.If they screw up they lose so in that we maintain some control over those in power.Without it those same people in power would appear to be totally corruptable.It has been shown again and again throughout history. When these powers are challenged they often kill their own people to prevent it, in western society they have to answer to us every four years or so and our people are not murdered for challenging the present government!


Its the same for Iraq(only a lot worse). The problem isnt with the people its the leaders. America and UK dont want the Iraqi's country or to kill civilians, we just want a stable and safe region with the chance to EARN a living and live in our own country, we can ALL make money and not starve. Is this really so terrible? The reason the west is FORCED to get involved with the middle east is UNFORTUNATELY due to the need for oil which UNFORTUNATLEY has become a necessity to our living the way we do.Ok its not the best thing for the planet but hey we didnt know that when we got started did we? This makes it none the less important that our society isnt held to ransom over it which is basically what Saddam is attempting

when you think about it its what it all started over way back in WW2, the moral side of this struggle for this horrible stone around the human races kneck (the oil)is the poor people stuck in the middle of it all. What choice do leaders have really when inaction means regimes continue and the west is threatened by the deliberate attacks on its very foundations by those regimes.
I think the US has been actually amazingly generous to any country they have gone to war with once they see it is a more free country.You condemn their people for this?
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« Reply #26 on: April 07, 2003, 10:31:57 AM »
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drugs in their macdonalds burgers!! The more we eat the more we are hooked on that terrible horror to humanity!


I KNEW IT!!!!! I KNEW IT!!!!

I have always asked myself WHY in hell people keep eating those plastic made burgers!!!

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(Ever tryed the Mcburgers here in Iurope? Blah!!)

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« Reply #27 on: April 07, 2003, 10:35:51 AM »
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 Also thank you for letting us finish nazis without the long-awaited second front, opened only when nazis were alredy doomed.



So you choose not to help the rest of Europe by opening up a second front with Hitler, and in fact sign a treaty with him... then your attacked... forced into war... and then whine about how we didnt invade France soon enough to help you?  Meanwhile driving our tanks and flying our aircraft the whole time your complaining?

Sorry Broda - but thats kind of rediculous.

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« Reply #28 on: April 07, 2003, 10:42:18 AM »
Bell P-39 Air Cobra.....was American made and givin to Russia during WW2....

some P-40's too if I'm not mistaking...

thats what I was talking about:p

I mean stop pointing the finger Borada....

Didn't the russians send men to fight germans WITHOUT weapons....and if they didn't fight...they where shot by there own countrymen.....


oh BTW Hortlund.....up yours my Swedish dweeb friend:eek:
« Last Edit: April 07, 2003, 10:44:32 AM by SLO »

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« Reply #29 on: April 07, 2003, 10:46:41 AM »
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Bell P-39 Air Cobra.....was American made and givin to Russia during WW2....

some P-40's too if I'm not mistaking...

thats what I was talking about:p

 


How many?

More info, please??