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Offline Kanth

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« Reply #45 on: April 09, 2003, 01:39:48 AM »
what do you mean?

Are you trying to say that if people don't agree with Sandman they are worthless scumbags?


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Are you guys intentionally trying to misunderstand Sandman?  It sure seems so as you keep saying he said things that he never even mentioned.

Or is this more of the typical Conservative tactic of inferring a desired message from what somebody didn't say?
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« Reply #46 on: April 09, 2003, 01:42:04 AM »
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the typical Conservative tactic of inferring a desired message from what somebody didn't say

LMAO

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« Reply #47 on: April 09, 2003, 01:56:36 AM »
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what do you mean?

Are you trying to say that if people don't agree with Sandman they are worthless scumbags?


IMHO, as attractive as that sounds... no. :D
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« Reply #48 on: April 09, 2003, 05:32:56 AM »
Funked - you're a little off about the BBC. Yes, it is one of those Nationalised entities, receiving government funding as it needed to in the days before TV when the BBC broadcast only radio. No, it is not a state monopoly as such. There are independent channels as well. First there was ITV (Independent TV) which has been running as long as I can remember. In 1982, we got Channel 4 - quite a good channel, shows some controversial stuff and doesn't hold back, and Channel 5 - old movies, some current American stuff like the Crime and Punishment series. These are the terrestrial channels. Only BBC1 and BBC2 do not have commercials. They are funded by the licence fee which, for colour sets is about £112 I believe. There's also cable and satellite stations of course, so a true TV nut can get about 100 channels or more.

I explained all the above in this thread, along with reasons why I prefer the current system of paying a licence fee - beats the hell out of wall-to-wall commercials.

As to news coverage, I think it's a case of the BBC appearing to be biased in their attempts to remain neutral. We want them to report on how well our guys are doing. That's what we want to hear. The BBC has long had a policy of neutrality/perceived bias. In the 1982 Falklands war, Thatcher got upset with them for reporting things like "We were told by senior members of the British Armed Forces..... and if they are to be believed..." - that sort of thing. The opposite of this is the Iraqi Minister of Information saying that there is no fighting in Baghdad - to the sound of gunfire outside...

Anyway, the BBC has come a long way. 30-40 years ago, they believed that only THEY had the right to broadcast radio. In 1964, Radio Caroline was launched, breaking that BBC monopoly. (The Caroline website has a history section) The BBC didn't like that, and for a time they jammed Caroline's transmissions with a continuous "parp-parp-parp" sound that made it basically inaudible. Those days are gone.
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« Reply #49 on: April 09, 2003, 05:46:01 AM »
You did have the govt censor out CNBC though Beetle, which is quite troublesome for a free society.

WSJ editorial board was banned throughot Europe, because that was the only way to stop broadcast to Britain, which had rule the editorial program an advertisement since the Wall Street Journal was not primarily a broadcast company.  Under threat of losing their European licensing, CNBC Europe eventually pulled the program rather than fighting with higher loss potential.

With "state sponsored" programming, the above whether true censorship or not bears the uncomfortable appearance of the government eliminating its competition.



On the BBC in general they have a tendency to editorialize but I have no problem with em.

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« Reply #50 on: April 09, 2003, 06:26:24 AM »
Heh funked; I pary around $180 a year for 'TV license'. That's more than I pay for cable.

Our previous governments in their infinite wisdom thought it easier to simply bill everyone that has the possibility of watching the state run TV channel, rather than installing a filter that ensures only paying viewers can see it.

I don't have a TV anymore because I cannot and will not afford $180 a year to pay for 'cultural programming'.

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« Reply #51 on: April 09, 2003, 08:19:27 AM »
Commercials suck ass.

I happily pay the license fee.
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« Reply #52 on: April 09, 2003, 08:28:07 AM »
fees are taxes.  

Was watching a Brit news guy on Fox and he said that the staff at bbc is so insular that they don't even know how left wing they are.   They just wallow in it.

I have never seen a "public" radio or TV station in the U.S. that wasn't to the left of weazel.  It is the nature of the beast.... when they are on the dole they have a strange view of the world.
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logic?
« Reply #53 on: April 09, 2003, 08:31:36 AM »
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Because soldiers are inherently biased and incapable of objectivity any objective report will be perceived as pro-Iraqi.


OK Sand, you explain to me exactly what this is supposed to mean, if it's not an ad hominem attack on my rationality.

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« Reply #54 on: April 09, 2003, 08:31:41 AM »
The UK has one of the lowest unemployment, benefit seeking rates in the Western world - lower than the US.

I wouldn't believe what someone from Fox says. He probably has an axe to grind for some reason or another. Anyone from the Dirty Digger's empire usually has.
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« Reply #55 on: April 09, 2003, 10:21:58 AM »
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Commercials suck ass.

I happily pay the license fee.


Yeah, competition sucks, can't we all just support and nurture one another?
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« Reply #56 on: April 09, 2003, 10:34:33 AM »
What makes you think there isn't competition between British terrestrial TV channels?
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« Reply #57 on: April 09, 2003, 10:42:38 AM »
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What makes you think there isn't competition between British terrestrial TV channels?


I'll admit that I don't know how your television networks acquire funding. It seemed that if you are "taxed" for them and there are no commercials then the money would have to be meted out equally among them.

Please describe how they compete for funding and I'll shut up on the subject.
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« Reply #58 on: April 09, 2003, 10:45:07 AM »
There are 3 commecial channels aside from the two BBC channels. It works quite well. You takes your pick, and I watch stuff off all of them.
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« Reply #59 on: April 09, 2003, 10:50:26 AM »
I'm still not clear on how they are funded? Do the commercial channels show commercials?
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