Powerful war related images thread

[Hristo]

[Naso]

Originally posted by Duedel
Its not a question of "hiding the neck in the sand" or not telling the truth. I dont want little kids (that have access to this forum) see those pics. If kids wouldnt be here u could post what u want to show what war really means...

BTW this is pathetic crap at its best!

Duedel, I know there are kids here, but, for God's sake, I know that there are kids THERE too!

Some people here (put a huge amount of of bad words here) seem to be willing to ignore that.

People that is showing NO difference with the ones cheering the WTC tragedy.

[Martlet]

Originally posted by Duedel


BTW this is pathetic crap at its best!

So isn't this

[Toad]

War is a bad thing? You guys just figured that out?

How do you feel about the ovens at Auschwitz? Bad things?

How do you feel about Serbs slaughtering Kosovars?

What about the tit for tat slaughter of Hutus and Tutsis?

Yes, I'd agree....... war is a bad thing.

But I'll also leave two words out of Mills quote on war:

"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse."

I think perhaps the ovens at Auschwitz....... and other places like Auschwitz are far more disturbing image (and the concept behind them) than any "war picture" posted so far.

Just my .02.

[Naso]

Originally posted by Toad
War is a bad thing? You guys just figured that out?

Retoric question with an offence enbedded..... discarded for the sake of a civil discussion.

How do you feel about the ovens at Auschwitz? Bad things?

How do you feel about Serbs slaughtering Kosovars?

What about the tit for tat slaughter of Hutus and Tutsis?

Are we ever said those were good things?

Again a provocation slip by before arriving to the point.

Yes, I'd agree....... war is a bad thing.

Finally something we agree on.

But I'll also leave two words out of Mills quote on war:

"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse."

The only thing worth a war is defence from another nation waging war on you.

Paraphrasing Mills:

"The decayed and degraded state of moral feeling wich thinks that nothing is better than war is much worse."

I think perhaps the ovens at Auschwitz....... and other places like Auschwitz are far more disturbing image (and the concept behind them) than any "war picture" posted so far.

Just my .02.

Agree 100%

[Duedel]

Originally posted by Martlet
So isn't this

Sry Martlet what does tthis has to do with the word "pathetic"?

[Martlet]

Originally posted by Duedel
Sry Martlet what does tthis has to do with the word "pathetic"?

it says "Germany" doesn't it?

[Vulcan]

Thankyou toad.

Its hard explaining to someone that their freedom, their 'libery', the life of their sister, the life of their father, was lost due to a some of this 'anti-war' attitude.

Naso: "The only thing worth a war is defence from another nation waging war on you."

My wife has a question for you: Why didn't anyone help when the Khmer Rouge took her sick father and 5 year old sister from a hospital and executed them? Why didn't anyone help while she starved in the camps? Why didn't anyone help when the Khmer Rouge beat her mother because she could't stop mourning the loss of her husband?

Did you know to many Cambodians the Vietnamese were sort of hero's because they were the only ones that came to overthrow Pol Pot's regime?

Did you know every Cambodian I've asked: "ok, if the Americans had come to liberate you, like in Iraq, would you prefer freedom, and be willing to take the chance that either you or a family member might be killed in the crossfire/war?". After a quick think, they all said yes.

So sit in your comfortable chair, typing on your computer, enjoyingthe freedom of the internet, passing moral judgements on whats wrong and right.

In the meantime, I those with a) the balls to go over there and do the job   and  b) the balls to finally make a decision.

[Toad]

Originally posted by Naso
The only thing worth a war is defence from another nation waging war on you....

Agree 100%

LOL.

Yeah, you agree 100% that Auschwitz was a "bad thing" but of course, the only thing that justifies war is "defence from another nation waging war on you."

So, what you've just said is that if the Third Reich had kept it's genocide "in house" and not invaded anyone, you'd have been quite happy to ignore it completely and never raise a hand against it.

[Duedel]

Originally posted by Martlet
it says "Germany" doesn't it?

I dont get it. I could post articles about US selling Iraq weapons of mass destruction too and it would have nothing to ddo with the slide show of US soldiers.

[Martlet]

Originally posted by Toad
LOL.

Yeah, you agree 100% that Auschwitz was a "bad thing" but of course, the only thing that justifies war is "defence from another nation waging war on you."

So, what you've just said is that if the Third Reich had kept it's genocide "in house" and not invaded anyone, you'd have been quite happy to ignore it completely and never raise a hand against it.

If the US had that philosophy, all of europe would be speaking german.

[Naso]

Originally posted by Toad
LOL.

Yeah, you agree 100% that Auschwitz was a "bad thing" but of course, the only thing that justifies war is "defence from another nation waging war on you."

So, what you've just said is that if the Third Reich had kept it's genocide "in house" and not invaded anyone, you'd have been quite happy to ignore it completely and never raise a hand against it.

The allies did'nt waged war to Germany for the concentration camps, you have another opinion?

"What you've just said..." was just what I said, nothing more, nothing less.

Vulcan, your post deserve a good answer, I have some trouble at work now and need to "make some decision" it hurts me the part

So sit in your comfortable chair, typing on your computer, enjoying the freedom of the internet, passing moral judgements on whats wrong and right.

This was offensive for many things, but, before closing this Html page, there's a thing I want to explaing:

When I say "right" or "wrong" I usually dont imply moral judgement, just a matter of "mechanical" (failing the word) solution.

Moral is always relative to the culture in wich it develops, I use to apply my morals on me, and try to understand other's morals.

I think this can enrich me, as enrich me understanding the differences between cultures and individuals.

I hope to not forget to answer you, in good heart, and without antagonism (correct?), I know it's difficult here in the o'club, but I am a dreamer

Now I have to go back to work, and a plane to take (hoping some foul did'nt decide to crash it in St.Peter church ).

[Toad]

No, they didn't.

Howevery, your position is that NOTHING justifies war.

How did you feel about the Serbs killing the Kosovars?

Was the US-led, in-violation-of-the-NATO-Charter-without-UN-SC-authorization the right thing to do? Or should NATO have just let the Serbs keep on slaughtering Kosovars?

Because NOTHING justifies war?

Does any amount of slaughter justify war? Or is genocide OK as long as you keep it within some artificially created "border" of a particular state?

[gofaster]

The image that I will take away from this war is that of Walter Rogers reporting for CNN on the first or 2nd day of the war when the M1A1 Abrams tanks of the 7th Cavalry were parked in the desert, turret turned 1/4 turn and level, while the column paused.  In the background you could see the names of the tanks written on the turrets and gun barrels and the tank crew milling around - one guy was walking towards his tank, others were cleaning their gear, one guy was brushing his teeth with bottled water.  For me, it was an interesting insight into the life of an Abrams tanker.

Other images I will remember are those of the Bradleys and Abrams moving into Baghdad along a highway with a median running down the middle - Bradleys on 1 side, Abrams on the other - with smoldering Iraqi vehicles parked off in the trees to the left where the Abrams were advancing.

My Revell AG 1/72 scale models of the M1A1 (HA) Abrams are scheduled to arrive today, along with Revell AG Modern US Infantry figures.  I plan to memorialize those images in a diorama.  And you want to know something?  I ordered those kits in Day Two of the war, and they're arriving with the war just about over.

[Naso]

Originally posted by Toad
No, they didn't.

Howevery, your position is that NOTHING justifies war.

How did you feel about the Serbs killing the Kosovars?

Was the US-led, in-violation-of-the-NATO-Charter-without-UN-SC-authorization the right thing to do? Or should NATO have just let the Serbs keep on slaughtering Kosovars?

Because NOTHING justifies war?

Does any amount of slaughter justify war? Or is genocide OK as long as you keep it within some artificially created "border" of a particular state?

Good questions.

Have no time to answer, but would like, can we delay 36-48 hours?

Have to go now.