A "vital" role for the U.N. and france..

[Monk]

Sniffle, sniffle!!

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Originally posted by SLO
you notice that its ONLY americans saying my opinion means nothing.....

No, it's just that you seem to be so bent on trashing the U.S. that's all YOU see.

you notice Blair telling Bush that HE HAS TO INCLUDE the UN.....

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you notice Blair also said the coalition should NOT allow the UN to CONTROL the rebuilding of Iraq. Of course you don't, your jealosy, hatred, and agenda blind you.

for the World Bank org. Irak is considered a 3rd world country....you want proof...go search it yourself.

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of course the fact that Iraq was under UN sanctions, and failing to repay their debts DESPITE having the most potential oil wealth among the majority of Arab nations has nothing to do with how a FINANCIAL institution rates Iraq.

Oh, and it was YOUR position that Iraq was a 3rd world country in regards to MILITARY action. However, YOU, as is typical, attempt to bring the financial side into it. This wasn't an economic contest, it was military. Make up YOUR mind on how you intend to argue this.

you guys are on a high dose right now...understandable. [/B]

We're not on a high dose of anything. We don't need YOU to "understand". You make attempts to trash the coalition and the U.S. in particular, for reasons of hatred or jealosy, or both, and then you cannot back up what you say. You show OBVIOUS anti American tendencies and then when you get called on it, you say "only Americans disagree with me". That's the BEST you can do. And it is both tired and pitiful. Enjoy sucking up to Chirac, and taking your place in that irrelevant part of the world that he inhabits.

I would like to personally invite you to move the UN HQ into Montreal. Spend your tax dollars to pay for it, including construction, maintenance, and security. Then go provide the majority of the money, military equipment, and manpower to do what the UN tells you must be done. See how long your economy and your military can hold up. Oh, and I have great respect for the Canadian military, they seem to be much braver and more intelligent than you, Chirac, Montreal in general, and your PM. They probably have more class than to take out their frustrations on a children's hockey team like the bunch of frustrated little gutless cowards that seem to infest your city. However, the UN and France in particular would likely fit in just fine.

[Otto]

Have them take out the trash and clean up a little bit.

[WineMan]

Just a couple cents....

-Just heard an intersting discussion about "Odious Debt."  Basically, it asserts that a "liberated" country (i.e. - one formerly ruled by a dictator) should not be held liable for debts assumed by the dictator, since it could be assumed that had the people had any say in their government, those debts might reasonably not have been assumed.

Using this argument, it could be argued that a newly "democratic" Iraq would not owe that money, especially since it could hinder the economic reconstruction of the country.  Of course, there are arguments as to whether "odious debt" should be employed, based on its effects to international finance.  A complication is how to determine which governments actually qualify under the term "dictatorship."  Does communism apply?  etc.etc.

-As far as U.N. involvement in a post-Saddam Iraq.  They didn't want to remove him from power, why should they have any important role in establishing a new government?  Why, too, should the U.S.?  I really hope that Bush is true to his word in his desire to allow the Iraqis to pick their own government.  There is no doubt that an occupation of Iraq by the U.S. for an extended period of time would be bad for all concerned.

-Also, all the "anti-war" U.N. council members shouldn't complain about being left out of reconstruction contracts for the country.  If they had supported the U.S., then of course they should be included.  I see no reason why they should be rewarded.  The local newspaper recently quoted France as saying it felt it was entitled to 25% of the oil revenues in a post-war Iraq!  That money should go to Iraq!  On the other hand, the U.S. should share a little of the reconstruction money with all the countries that did support us.  I hate to see Bush rewarding all his oil cronies...  what about Spain and Bulgaria, Australia, etc. etc.?

[AKIron]

better than the comedy channel

 

[lazs2]

I believe that post war iraq will look a lot like post war japan and germany after WWII and the Marshall plan.... iraqi's will administer U.S. plans until they can take over themselves... we , and they, certainly don't need a 195 man committe voting on how ever little detail should be handled.

I believe the un should do what they do best.... hand out the humanitarian aid and look important.

I belive that perhaps we should move the un to france and that the U.S. , and every member of the un, should all have an equal vote and all pay an equal share in any un action.   The bill for humanitarian aid to iraq or any other country should be split equally 195 (or so) ways.

sorry slo... you are irrelevant and wrong on this one... face it.   you prayed for a quagmire and it never happened.... boroda is still waiting for the gas soaked rags falling unto U.S. tanks.   You both are going by how it woulda happened if your countries had been running the show and are pissed because we aren't as incompetent and cruel as you so we get better results.   far from the U.S. being given a lesson... we gave u guys one.
lazs

[SLO]

hmm If I remember correctly....my countries soldiers are still in Afgan territory...helping out with that countries problems....

and a couple of soldiers died cause of a US Airforce mistake....you gonna take that away now....or have you just forgotten it, cause its NOT THE NEWS OF THE DAY

and UN-OFFICIALLY Canada has a few canoes(warships) in the gulf region.....

wanna explain the jealousy part to me please...cause I really don't now what to be jealous about...that you fought a 3rd world country....yeeehaaaa...that surely would make me jealous.

I will repeat again......hope you get it this time and stop your stupid comments about bashing the US....

I DO NOT AGREE WITH YOUR GOVR. PRE-EMPTIVE DOCTRINE.
like most of the WORLD....

I DO NOT AGREE WITH YOUR GOVR. THAT PUTS ASIDE THE WORLD BODY KNOWN AS THE U.N.
like most of the WORLD...

but once this war started....I WISH MY GOVR WOULDA CHANGED ITS MIND AND HELPED OUT.....In my book you do not leave a close allie like the US standing alone...EVEN IF WE DIDN'T AGREE WITH ITS POLICIES.


Now would anyone say WHERE I bashed the US....

please show me where the jealousy part is....

where I my stompin my feet on the side lines....

I already said in another post that the US/Brits where doing a FINE JOB IN IRAQ.....

[lazs2]

well ... i suppose that we will just have to disagree with the "pre emptive" thing.   12 years isn't exactly jumping the gun in my opinion.

I notiiced that you didn't comment on my thoughts on the un?   I think you know that it is an incompetent, corrupt and useless entity.    I think you know that they should have nothing to do with the economical or political development of the new iraq.

If WMD are found then will you admit that their "inspectors" were pretty much worthless?

you will admit that if france had taken on the iraquis that france woulda got it's butt whipped?    So.... either iraq was not (it is now) a third world military power or.... france is a even less?
lazs

[llyr69]

Hmmmm....where was that link regarding a request to be relieved of the commitment to provide 1,500 peacekeepers in Afghanistan....probably the National Post online.

Read up on your own news, SLO

[AWMac]

Calling the Whaaaaaaaaaaabulance!

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Originally posted by SLO
hmm If I remember correctly....my countries soldiers are still in Afgan territory...helping out with that countries problems....

and a couple of soldiers died cause of a US Airforce mistake....you gonna take that away now....or have you just forgotten it, cause its NOT THE NEWS OF THE DAY

and UN-OFFICIALLY Canada has a few canoes(warships) in the gulf region.....

wanna explain the jealousy part to me please...cause I really don't now what to be jealous about...that you fought a 3rd world country....yeeehaaaa...that surely would make me jealous.

I will repeat again......hope you get it this time and stop your stupid comments about bashing the US....

I DO NOT AGREE WITH YOUR GOVR. PRE-EMPTIVE DOCTRINE.
like most of the WORLD....

I DO NOT AGREE WITH YOUR GOVR. THAT PUTS ASIDE THE WORLD BODY KNOWN AS THE U.N.
like most of the WORLD...

but once this war started....I WISH MY GOVR WOULDA CHANGED ITS MIND AND HELPED OUT.....In my book you do not leave a close allie like the US standing alone...EVEN IF WE DIDN'T AGREE WITH ITS POLICIES.


Now would anyone say WHERE I bashed the US....

please show me where the jealousy part is....

where I my stompin my feet on the side lines....

I already said in another post that the US/Brits where doing a FINE JOB IN IRAQ.....

We know that Canada has troops in Afghanistan, that is NOT the issue.

I wish we could "take away" the deaths of those Canadian soldiers. No, we have not forgotten. Be assured that the two pilots involved are in much more trouble than they would be if they had killed U.S. soldiers.

Regarding your warships, either take part officially, and stand up to be counted, or just forget it.

Regarding jealosy, well, then show me your TRUE motive for your continued line of crap.

Didn't you call Bush "monkey brains"? I'd say you're bashing the U.S. Don't like being told to stop bashing the U.S.? Don't do it then.

You don't like pre-emptive action? Tough toejam, they haven't come on YOUR soil and killed 3,000 people yet. We refuse to sit on our hands and wait for them to come back, and hope that they don't.

We had no choice but to bypass the UN, the French, the Germans, and the Russians made SURE of that. And I didn't see your candy assed PM pushing the UN to act. Once it became crystal clear that France, Russia, and Germany would prevent any action by the UN, Saddam had a free ticket to do as he pleased. You want to blame the bypassing of the UN on anybody, blame it on France, Germany, and Russia, and take a heaping helping of blame for your leaders too.

If the U.S./U.K. led coalition was SO WRONG, then why would you ever support it? Again, make up your mind what is right and what is wrong and take your stand.

You've been pitching your little hissy fit about how wrong the coalition of the willing is, looks like stomping your feet on the sidelines to me.

[lazs2]

well.... ah... thank you virgil.... that about covers it.
lazs

[batdog]

DAMN SLO..seems like to me your getting really screwed up in your arguments and logic. Maybe I'm just tired.

You say we wont have an easy time w/Russia-France. Like since when are we gonna go after them? What prompted this comparision.

You mentioned we took on a 3rd world country... well yea we did. And your point is? It isnt the fact we won..that was a given. Its the fact we did it w/such min destruction-death compared to other past conflicts. Take a look at Bagdad vie CNN or whatever..its still there isnt it. Now..see if your vaunted France or Russian forces could do the same as US/Brit?


You then say that you have troops in afgansistan..thats great. We're glad they're with us there..but wtf does this have to do w/Iraq? You mention friendly fire incident, that certainly sucked but once again... the argument here?

I think your just screaming all red faced and pissed w/pooty in your pants cause you didnt get your way concerning this war. Lots of US bodybags coming home so you could place some sort of smug smile on your face and say "I told you handsomehunkes"

Go change your diaper.

[Puke]

SLO, please take your Riddlen.

wow....you fought a 3rd world country......congrats.

Who gloated about that in this thread?  You bring it up out of the blue and you sound just like my kids when jealous of the other's toys or getting to go somewhere neat.

Last I heard, France would never recognize a new government in Iraq.  And I believe France, Russia and Germany won't expell Saddam's ambassador's in their countries.  Why should they have any say in a new government.  I bet they'd just put Saddam back in power so they can make their lucrative oil and weapons deals again.  

I don't see any Iraqis kissing the photos of Chiraq or Schroeder on the streets of Iraq.

[SLO]

hmm I see I ain't getting anywhere but getting ganged banged again.....by Americans of course...what did I expect.

calling G.W.Bush a monkey brains is not dishin the US but its leader....you do it yourself.

Ignoring 3/4 of the worlds opinion in my book is STUPID....and that is what you are doing right now.....

just because someone doesn't want WAR means he's a fuggin wimp....IT MEANS HE DOESN'T want WAR...you put the wimp part in there....not me

BatDog what I meant is that when France Germany or Russia say something...trust me...you do listen.

Canada DOES NOT HAVE THE RESOURCES THAT THE US DOES...we can NOT be at 2 places at 1 time.....

My govr. views are not exactly MINE....just like some do not agree with your own govr.....does that mean they are dishing the US.

pooty in my pants...smartass you are....like as if i'm happy that body bags are coming home....you fuggin moron....I see your intellect level is way down there to say something as stupid as that...you wanna attack me go ahead.....but do not use those kinds of words...handsomehunk