Author Topic: Bush - hate filled dummy (Read 1001 times)

Nash · « **Reply #15 on:** April 11, 2003, 06:14:58 AM »

The "white house vandalism" stories were a crock of toejam. The press ate it up for a couple of weeks then went almost completely silent the minute they realized they were getting royally duped. Too bad, because how the press was so willing to eat it and the way the new occupants fed it, would have made for some pretty interesting stories in their own right.

But nothing much emerged afterwards. Thus plenty of people continue to think that this actually happened.

Regarding the amendment to exclude France, Russia, Germany, etc., I'm with the congress. It's not oil profit money we're talking about here. It's not from any spoils of war. It is US taxpayer money that was alotted to fight the war and aid in the reconstruction... the cost of the war, paid for by US citizens. I think the people who actually fought the war and have ponied up the money to do so should be able to spend it however they want, on whoever they want.

It's only domestically that I think it could get dicey... When company X gets excluded from bidding because Cheney (or whoever) owes company Y a favour (for example).

Fatty · « **Reply #16 on:** April 11, 2003, 07:47:58 AM »

Ho often do you use that key anyay? It's not like it ould be missed much.

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #17 on:** April 11, 2003, 12:35:40 PM »

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that or they just took stuff on their way out...

Which would be illegal and grounds for imprisonment, and yet nobody's in prison. Any material -- documents, files, computer files, memos, whatever -- created in the White House for government business are property of the federal government. There are people whose sole job it is to archive documents as part of the public record on a daily basis. Even things as mundane as drafts of the State of the Union Address become part of the presidential record. You can't just walk off with it. Not even outgoing Lyndon Johnson was able to keep the gifts from other heads of state that he wanted to believe were his own. They were actually gifts to the American government and not Johnson personally, so he had to part with them (after much wailing and gnashing of teeth).

-- Todd/Leviathn

lord dolf vader · « **Reply #18 on:** April 11, 2003, 01:05:04 PM »

no problem with this at all. as long as we arent buying 2000 dollar screw drivers. get the idea what are the other options really isreal ? isreal and isreal. still i have no problem better to support them buying things from them i guess. with mikos paper money, of course

AKIron · « **Reply #19 on:** April 11, 2003, 01:12:51 PM »

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Which would be illegal and grounds for imprisonment, and yet nobody's in prison.

Kinda my point. Bush basically told his staff to let it go, in the best interest of the country.

miko2d · « **Reply #20 on:** April 11, 2003, 01:30:13 PM »

First, such measures may occasionally have political sense but rarely economic one. If we want to build something in the most efficient way possible, shouldn't we go with the best cost/quality supplier?

Second, it may be advisable politically to extend commertial cooperations with other countries even if they do not love us that much. It will reduce tensions, create groups of people in those countries interested in cooperating with us who may in the future oppose their goovernments. Economic cooperation spreads cultural values etc. In short, it may make it less necessary to "liberate" them in the future.

Anyway, if we allow free iraqi government to come to power, what's to prevent them from cooperating with whomever they choose and honoring their old contracts - russians, french, syrians, etc. Nothing we can do about it.

If we do not allow them to run their country the way they see fit, then it would make accusations of our "imperialist intentions" true - in which case why would we expect those countries to like and support our actions?

Wouldn't we rather to prove them wrong be just letting iraqi decide? Of course legally we can spend our money whichever way we see fit and attach any kind of conditions if we give it to iraqi.

Considering that their oil industry was not seriously damaged, $2.8 billion is a pittance compared to what they can readily obtain for their oil or tens of billions iraq currently has in their accounts.

P.S. Anyone really expects any more appreciation from liberated iraqis than we are getting from other countries?

miko

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #21 on:** April 11, 2003, 01:35:32 PM »

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Kinda my point. Bush basically told his staff to let it go, in the best interest of the country.

It's easy to be munificent when no crime has been committed.

-- Todd/Leviathn

AKIron · « **Reply #22 on:** April 11, 2003, 01:56:51 PM »

It's not hard for me to believe that someone who sorely abused his office as Governor, using state troopers to bring him prostitutes, wouldn't take what he could and encourage his staff to do so as well.

There were claims of defacement as well. This also is easy for me to believe, especially considering how pissed off he was over the impeachment. Believe what you like, I'll do the same.

SirLoin · « **Reply #23 on:** April 11, 2003, 02:01:04 PM »

BTW..Where is the Prez?..It seems like Rums is making all the announcements on TV.

john9001 · « **Reply #24 on:** April 11, 2003, 02:36:12 PM »

sounds more like goodcop/badcop, bush plays good cop to congress bad cop.
everything is not always as it seems.

rc51 · « **Reply #25 on:** April 11, 2003, 02:53:56 PM »

Clinton= noodle with ears.

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #26 on:** April 11, 2003, 09:16:35 PM »

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It's not hard for me to believe that someone who sorely abused his office as Governor, using state troopers to bring him prostitutes, wouldn't take what he could and encourage his staff to do so as well.

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Except that there is nothing in any legal record to indicate that this was the case... beyond Ari Fleischer and "unnamed" Bush administration staffers saying as such.

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There were claims of defacement as well. This also is easy for me to believe, especially considering how pissed off he was over the impeachment. Believe what you like, I'll do the same.

And again, there was nothing in the GAO report indicating defacement of any kind during the final walkthrough on the morning before the inauguration. This fact proved irrefutable to the new Bush administration, since stating that defacement had occurred regardless of what the report stated meant at least one of two things:

(1) The non-partisan bureaucrats tasked with making the report were incompetent and missed obvious details such as vandalized keyboards and missing supplies.

(2) The non-partisan bureaucrats tasked with making the report were biased and intentionally excluded vandalism from their report.

If the first case applies, the Bush administration would be forced to terminate the government employees responsible for gross incompetence. In the second case, legal action would follow termination of the employees. Yet nobody was fired, no lawsuits were filed against bureaucrats (nevermind outgoing Clinton folks) surrounding the matter. Why? Because the Bush administration knew that firing competent and innocent government employees wasn't the way to go about gaining the trust and loyalty of the bureaucracy.

Nevermind the additional fact that officers in charge of Air Force One denied that any vandalism had taken place (despite reports of stolen china).

Honestly, AKIron, you're a smart guy. I'd hope that you wouldn't take things like this at just face value because of Clinton's untrustworthiness. Within Washington circles, the whole White House looting thing was considered a tarbaby to the incoming Bush administration, a real misstep brought about by Ari Fleischer speaking out of hand early on without realizing the implications of doing so. It's a lot different being Press Secretary to the President of the United States than it is being the spokesman for the governor of Texas.

-- Todd/Leviathn