a new revolution

[palef]

Originally posted by Ike 2K#
Thats what im trying to propose for the next patch or next version (AH2)

Did you , like uh, deliberately not understand my post, or are you really that stupid???

I was paraphrasing the current system.

I think I may have to stop adding encouraging comments to my posts.

palef.

[DrDea]

Trying to tell someone thats letting ya play for free in H2H how to run there game aint to polite either.I say If ya like the game,fine.If ya think you can build a better balance,Then by all means put up the cash,make a game,promote it,and then sell it.Seeing as how when AH2 comes out this drivel will all be irrelevant the only thing left to say is if you dont like the way HT has the game set up.............Drum roll please..................

[DrDea]

Nopoop?You asleep at the wheel?

[wetrat]

Originally posted by Docc
I think it sounds pretty good...if applied in reverse and according to fighter ranks..........ie: anyone with a fighter rank under 250 would be limited to a choice of what Ike calles the non-perked planes; under 500 would be limited to the next set as well as the non-perked planes.....and so on until only the newbies can fly the 262s etc without paying perks.....................thi nk about it

Ok, you're an idiot.

a) not all good pilots are ranked below 250
b) many terrible pilots are ranked below 250
c) that system would lose HTC my subscription and undoubtedly many others
d) the 262 is markedly useless in the hands of a complete newbie. More thank likely he'll climb to 15k, dive on something on the deck at full throttle, and rip the wings off before he hits 8k. Again, you're an idiot.
e) Ike's idea of which planes should be perked and which belong where is absolutely terrible. '43, '44, '45 planes (f4f-4, FM2, a6m5) against an emil, 2 junkers (early junkers at that) and a C202? GIVE ME A potato peelinG BREAK.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to cut you two idiots down (ike, docc). Oh wait, yes I am...

[size=100]STFU[/size]

[Docc]

wetrat and Dr. Death.....this is supposed to be a forum where ideas can be discussed in a civil manner whether or not they are perfect.  If showing your lack of consideration for the rights of others by flaming the author just because you don't agree with them, then you are walking reasons for birth control.
     The idea is to give newbies a chance because as it stands now only the best pilots (because they have perk points and newbies don't) ARE ABLE to fly the best planes which exacerbates the demoralizing situation for a newbie.  Sure maybe a newbie wouldn;t be able to do anything with a 262 of F4U1-C, but at least they had the possibility of a better chance of survival.
     It was just a thought in responce to Ike's new perk system....no need for you guys to get wedgies over it.

[DrDea]

Its like asking the coach of a football team to make the guys who train harder,play harder and perform better to play with no pads,with 1 arm tied behind there backs and hop on 1 leg just because the new guys cant compete with them.To restrict the pilots,most have been playing for years and earned the ability they have,and make it easy for the Newbs is totally idiotic.You dont show appreciation to long time customers by clipping there wings.Its not a flame.Its just totally a rediculous  Idea.

[Docc]

Instead of hearing nothing but destructive criticism from you about anyone else's ideas,  let's hear your ideas on how to encourage newbies to stay with the game instead of getting demoralized and quitting while utilizing more of the planeset offered in the MA........after all, that's what this thread is about.

[bockko]

Instead of handicapping better pilots to help newbies get kills, newbies should study tactics, learn each plane's strengths/weaknesses, practice gunnery, analyze how/why the get killed, and in general, LEARN. We don't need complex perk systems, that is sooo socialist. Let the paying players base choose what planes they want to fly and how to fly them. If one player can't fly any plane good then that pilot should LEARN how to fly to win, even if its in a lala. A marginal pilot in a LALA sure gives the better pilot in a crummy plane plenty of perkies, which is not a bad thing. Good pilot has fun, bad pilot gets a lesson in acm/SA, if bad pilot is watching and listening. And yes, the learning curve in AH is harsh, some of these guys have had years of flight sim's to hone their skills and unlike real life, they get more than once death to get it right. It is, after all, a game.

Don't worry about perk plane values, worry about learning to fly the ones that are there!

[DrDea]

For one thing,the perk system will be a moot point when AH2 comes out.The "Classic" AH will still be in place and the perk system will still be in effect,but as far as AH2 it will not be the same scoreing system.There are many good planes that dont have perks involved.You dont just hop in a 262 and rack up kills.Same goes for the Chog.Many of the planes in the current set are just as good as any of the perk planes.The TA 152 does nothing unless its at high alt.Its a buff hunter.To say that not having the perked planes available causes a one sided war is not only a cop out,its wrong.To put it in as simple terms as possable.Its NOT the plane.Its the PILOT.The only way to get good at this game is to spend less time coming up with ways to make it fit your personal ideas of fair and more time flying the planes to get a feel for them.Latch onto a squad.Ask questions.Read the manual.Theres no easy way out of gaining seat time and thats the only way you will be able to grab perks.Want to get perks faster?Fly a 202 or a 109F4.Personaly,I never gave a rats patootie about perks.Im more squadmate orientated and having fun is my main goal.

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by Docc

     The idea is to give newbies a chance because as it stands now only the best pilots (because they have perk points and newbies don't) ARE ABLE to fly the best planes which exacerbates the demoralizing situation for a newbie.  

Maybe it's because you're new yourself that you don't quite realize this but the best planes aren't the perked ones.


Ack-Ack

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by Docc
let's hear your ideas on how to encourage newbies to stay with the game instead of getting demoralized...

Here's a thought...why not encourage them to go to the Training Arena, setup some training time with a trainer so they could actually learn something that will help them be competive.  

The main reason why newbies give up this game isn't because they can't fly the Me262 or any other perk planes, it's because they don't have the knowledge (i.e. BFM/ACM) to make them competitive in the MA.  If there was a formal training program that newbies could go to, that would cut down a lot on those that give up the game after a few days of frustration.


Ack-Ack

[Docc]

sounds great Ack-Ack........but you left out the other half wihich was included in the perk points/rank idea.......which was to increase the use of the lesser planes in the MA.........Btw...I've been in AH 16 months and another flight sim for 3 years before that

Old age, treachery, and technology will overcome youth and skill.

Every man is occasionally blessed with Luck

[wetrat]

Ok, docc. Your reasoning really does puzzle me. So, since I'm a "better" pilot than the newbs, that means that I should have to fly a 1939 plane against their 262 or tempest? Or that since I've been at this a while, I should be restricted to the WORST planes simply because the new people suck? What the hell is that?

This game is very simple, and isn't hard at all to get good at. And we already have several "easy" planes dominating the MA, the majority of which are flown by less than mediocre pilots. ie. the dora, LA-7, N1K, Spit9. All of those planes are completely adequate to compete against my 109-G2. With several exceptions, most of the better pilots in this game don't fly these "dweeb rides" I've mentioned.

And as for the currently perked planes... Most "good" pilots don't fly them a whole lot. Some do, but I don't know of many people who make their main ride a perk plane. Also, you don't need to be anything approaching good to fly a perk plane. Hell, in my first month of AH (AH was also my first flight sim) I was able to afford a 262.

Get over it; just because you suck and can't compete doesn't mean HTC's long-time customers should have their wings clipped. Newbies are just that; newbies. They'll either stay and get better, stay and keep sucking (most common), or bugger off.

[DrDea]

but you left out the other half wihich was included in the perk points/rank idea.......which was to increase the use of the lesser planes in the MA........

   I fly the 109F4 as much as anything.Not because of some need to appease new pilots.But because it pays out well and its an underated plane.A plane is only going to be as good as a pilot.You cant shove planes people dont want to fly down there throats.There isnt a handicap in AH.This isnt bowling where the goal is to try to make everyone even.Its cyber swimming.Harsh as it sounds,learn how to fly or die.Sink or swim.Theres plenty of people if approached right will offer help..

[SlapShot]

Originally posted by Docc
Slapshot, you just proved my point.....btw....should have known you were a MAW LOL

How does my post prove your point? I think you need to read it again.

Originally posted by vorticon
i eat MAWS for dinner

And then you woke up ...