Author Topic: Annika Sorenstam  (Read 2313 times)

Offline Kanth

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« Reply #45 on: April 11, 2003, 03:10:27 PM »
these are from the sports illustrated cnn site btw.


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Remember Mason Wolf? Probably not. I'm sure there's one tournament he'd like to forget as well. In 1990, Wolf was an assistant pro at the C.C. of South Sapphire Valley. Thanks to one of its members, Jack Mosely, who also happened to be Chairman and CEO of USF&G, Wolf received an exemption into the USF&G Classic in New Orleans. Wolf shot 90-93 to set the highest 36-hole score recorded in the last 30 years on the PGA Tour.
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« Reply #46 on: April 11, 2003, 03:10:50 PM »
Well Kanth, the last woman to try it made the cut. Which means she beat at least 1/2 the field. Not a joke at all.

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« Reply #47 on: April 11, 2003, 03:12:52 PM »
Kanth, the link you provided did not say anything about Sorenstams tee

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« Reply #48 on: April 11, 2003, 03:20:24 PM »
The score after the fact doesn't matter to me. If she was good enough to beat half, she was good enough to have tried to qualify to get in, in the first place.

And yet instead, she took an exemption go guarentee her spot in the competition, when others had to compete for it.

That's not fair, I don't care how much publicity it gives the game or how much money they make.

You either compete, or you are a token. In only one of those situations does your performance matter in a competition.
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« Reply #49 on: April 11, 2003, 03:21:34 PM »
You're right, I'm wrong, she didn't qualify on any tees hortlund, she was given an exemption from qualifying at all.

you go girl!

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Kanth, the link you provided did not say anything about Sorenstams tee
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« Reply #50 on: April 11, 2003, 03:27:48 PM »
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Sponsors get to pick several players for each tournament...that is ok as long as they dont pick girls is that what you are saying?

I dont get it. As long as she uses the same lanes, the same tees and the same rules as the guys why shouldnt she be allowed to be in the tour?

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« Reply #51 on: April 11, 2003, 03:30:49 PM »
If she was invited, then I have no issues with her being in the tournament,...as long as she plays on the same tees.

She is just another golfer at that point.
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« Reply #52 on: April 11, 2003, 03:31:59 PM »
nope I'm saying that people who don't qualify don't compete.

 They are tokens, no matter the gender.

 I cited two examples of token men who were exempted just so you'd understand that it's been done before, for men, and that it's still not fair competition.

Let me make this clear so you don't misunderstand, anyone that is just handed an invitation to get into a match, when others have to compete for it, aren't competitors.

They are tokens, publicity stunts, they are the owners sons, etc etc..haven't earned their way into the game.

Annika is no different.

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Sponsors get to pick several players for each tournament...that is ok as long as they dont pick girls is that what you are saying?

I dont get it. As long as she uses the same lanes, the same tees and the same rules as the guys why shouldnt she be allowed to be in the tour?
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« Reply #53 on: April 11, 2003, 03:32:09 PM »
Hortlund and I are agreeing....

Just an "end of life as we know it" warning.....

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« Reply #54 on: April 11, 2003, 03:37:16 PM »
Hortland - its fine to be proud of a fellow countryman/woman/person... (PC sucks....)

But this isnt really about where she came from, how old she is, or what sexual plumbing she posesses.

If she were a he, I still think it would be an embarressment.  The fact that she is a woman however, playing in a clearly marked mens tournament, and in fact, tour, kinda of "tees me off."

Im trying hard not to sound like a bigot... but its kind of hard in this case, which Im sure you can understand.  I just think the lines are clearly defined - the PGA tour and the LPGA tour are seperated for a reason - to allow for a level playing field respective to each sex.

If she wants to qualify from the mens tees, then perhaps she should be considered as a potential player, but the reason the LPGA was created was so that women could compete against eachother on a level playing field.  If she is allowed to play from the womens tees during this tourny, she has, as Kanth said, absolutely no business grabbing at the purse.

I just have a serious problem with the current trend in sports today: if youre no good, we'll change the game so you can play.  Thats kind of insulting to those athletes who have the talent to compete.  The problem is, at least in a case like this, Im sure she'd be screaming "lawsuit" if they didnt let her play, and Im sure the officials would rather get some good PR out of the decision than be seen as a dated organization that descriminates against women.

Can you imagine other sports with integrated teams?  Ice hockey would be a bloodsport.  As soon as some guy got the balls up to hit a female, shed be injured and the newspapers would be crying 'foul!'  The team would let him go because of public outcry and two careers are ruined.

Basketball?  Three-point "specialist?"  I dont think so.  Again, theres a reason the WNBA was created... shots blocked would increase two fold in one season.

Football?  Ok, maybe a kicker, but thats about it - come on here people... think with your heads.

Then of course you get the "scandles" where male owners and coaches make innapproproate remarks or "contact" (forget the ol' basketball bellybutton slap... sorry Dowding) :D  Go up to block a shot and Shaq accidentally grabs a handful?  "Sexual assault!!  Sexual assault!"

[SportsCenter music] "Shaq Attack!  Shaq undergoing questioning after grabbing the wrong basketball... what was he thinking?  We're not sure, but its certain to be entertaining." [/SportsCenter music]

There just really no good that can come from integrated sports.  Sure it might be nice for a few weeks to have the "Success Story of the Century!" on Fox, but after that - what do you have?  Someone who cant play on the same level as the rest of the league and is there purely for publicity.  Its an embarressment for the league, the team, the fans... and the player in question, which in the case, happens to be a female.

Men and women are not equal - we never have been and we never will be.  We need to stop bending the rules in an attempt to blur the line between the sexes.  There are things men can do that women cannot, and there are thing women can do that men cannot.  If we were designed to be the same, we'd reproduce a-sexually and it'd be a pretty boring world.

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« Reply #55 on: April 11, 2003, 03:49:36 PM »
I am absolutely opposed to women on golf courses. The instincts of a male is to protect the female, and in the heat of battle females will cause males to lose their composure and develop a case of the "yips." Sorry, but golf is a man's job, not a woman's.

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« Reply #56 on: April 11, 2003, 03:56:44 PM »
imo we need to start looking at people as individuals and their skills as individuals and get over the fact that one has boobies and the other doesn't (in most cases)

 It's just golf, testicles aren't required to play it.
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« Reply #57 on: April 11, 2003, 03:57:47 PM »
you are starting to grow on me Airhead..like a fungus..but still.

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I am absolutely opposed to women on golf courses. The instincts of a male is to protect the female, and in the heat of battle females will cause males to lose their composure and develop a case of the "yips." Sorry, but golf is a man's job, not a woman's.
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« Reply #58 on: April 11, 2003, 04:03:56 PM »
More on Babe Didrikson

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Babe Didrikson Zaharias played the Los Angeles Open as an amateur in 1938 (getting an exemption) and 1945 (qualifying from the men's tees).

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« Reply #59 on: April 11, 2003, 04:04:09 PM »
Wohooo did Kanth just hit on Elfenwolf!!!