Good laugh..

[Am0n]

sunday after getting pounded by bish/knights for the better part of the weekend i grew tired of the 3:1 odds, and the many deaths. Saturday was horrible in the morning if any of you roosk were there, you know what im talking about.

I decided id go for some relaxing high flying buff hunting. sounds peaceful enough?

the first flight i was in a f4u-1, i heard it was decent at high alt (wrong), but i found it next to un flyable at 30k with no artifical horizon, and stalling contantly.

I did find a B17 at 35k, i persued him for a good 30 minutes, stalled out 2 times and lost 5-7k alt each instence. I chased him for over 100 miles and finnaly caught him, gotta few pings and stalled badly becomming a very easy target, dead..
lesson learned: dont belive the all the hype you here, this plane is horrible above 25k.


NP, i died 100 times over the weekend, ill have another go at it.

2nd time i hop in a P47-30, thinking this is the (non-perked)ride to be in at 35k, hunting "heavy dick weeds" thats just where ill need to be.

I grabbed 3 drop tanks and headed on the long trek to the lone short red bar far off from all conflict, had to be a bomber getting alt.

Damn i was right, took me a while to hunt him down due to the heavy cloud cover. When i spotted him i was at 35k he was seemingly at 15k. I circled him many times attempting to confuse or make him panic, not realizing that i had lost much alt and in turn gained much speed.

When i was a good distance at his 12 high, i decided to Split-Ess and  hit him fast from a hi 12 position. I came in MUCH MUCH faster than i was used to in the jug, gained speed like ive never seen. I wasnt even trying to dive at him at this point i was just turning around to his dead 12 so i could set up a diving attack. Before i could level out i was in a ZeroG dive which i couldnt pull out from. I fell 20k to the earth, big splash in the sea.  

This has never happened to me in the jug, ive always been able to pull out at high speeds buy killing the engine and applying light stick movents.

Whoever was the B17 pilot heading out from A1, im sure you got a good laugh from this, i sure did.  

Did they change anything about the p47-30 that any knows of? it seemingly dives faster, i could be wrong though.

Nothing lost here, was actualy good to stay alive for more than 5 minutes for once over the weekend.  

[Karnak]

I did that it a P-47D-30, but by extending the dive brakes I was able to pull out and not hit the ground.

[DanielMcIntyre]

I'm a cheating bastard, I just hit X 1 sec, X, X 1 sec, X, X 1 sec, X etc etc


Combat trim rules!!!!


 

[Nifty]

I think you're confusing the F4U-1 and the F4U-4.  I haven't seen many threads about the -1 model, but plenty on the -4 model.

[Voss]

Throttle back and dialing in up trim usually saves the Jug from compression. Especially, given that you had that much air below you.  

[Am0n]

Originally posted by Nifty:
I think you're confusing the F4U-1 and the F4U-4.

No confusion at all it was a F4U-1 or this would have been a cry baby thread about loosing 60 perks.
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This is the first time ive ever lost a jug to compression, totaly caught me off gaurd they are normaly easy to pull out once you compress.


Voss

I know nothing about trim at all, i asked some of the vet pilots to explian it and the answer i got was "learn to fly first and then learn trim" lol

How could i have used it to save my self from becomming a lawn dart?  If you know more about it im more than happy to listen!
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Had to be funny from the b17s veiw though, first you got this guy hovering high above you like a vulcher for many minutes, nex thing you see if him racing strait to the ground well in front of you.. lol

maybe he laughed so hard he lost control and crashed, my tactic worked after all!!  

[SFRT - Frenchy]

The trim will pull you out of the dive. When you compress :
- chop the throttle (full throttle on the real jug)
- extend dive flaps (if equiped)
- trim backward
- (optional) put full rudder, u never know, full rudder deflection increases drag, it cannot hurt.

About the trim: the trim is like a little elevator at the trailing edge of the elevator. It reacts like a micro elevator allowing to pitch the nose up or down. In real flying the trim is used to release the constant effort that the pilot has to maintain on the stick. If your plane is trimed correctly, you should be able to release the stick and your plane maintains the same attitude.
For each airspeed there is a trim setting, so everytime you change airspeed, you should trim. In AH they simplified that with the "auto trim". Sound good but it brings a lot of inconvenient, especially at high speed. If you keep the auto trim on on a high speed loop, your loop radius will be too wide compared of what u could do with triming manually.
As a side note, the real P47 was a hand full in dive bombing. The pilot needed to trim constantly all 3 axis (aileron, rudder and pitch) while aiming and watching for compression.
Next time you have a question, especially about the jug, look for the 56thFG. MarkAT, Sancho, Ammo, Nomde or myself are always happy to help a newbie start with AH. (If asked properly )

[Lephturn]

I didn't say not to learn about trim, I said "fly within your envelope and let CT handle it" while you are learning.  That works pretty well.

When you are far outside the normal flight envelops, either low speed, high speed, or using flaps, you can use manual trim to help.  A compression dive is one of the times where you want to use manual trim to save you.  Crank on that K key to trim it nose up until you get out of the dive.  If you are in the D30, the dive flap will help as well.

[Am0n]

Lephturn how did you know i was talking about you!   hehe
(i was)

Im not ragging on you bud, you have been more than helpful. With out the knowledge you have given me i would still be trying to figure out how to keep the darned AC in the sky, let alone sending a enemy air craft home in a chute. i thank you.

But you did tell me to "learn ACM and E managment first.. then learn manual trim."

So far i do a good job of E management, i try to never to persue someone who makes me pull more than 3 Gs to turn on them, level for speed after Zoom and do 2-3 G loops to get alt back for another strike.

ACM is another story, its comming in time  

Thanks again Lephturn, i hope you didnt take my comment as being un-greatful, that is not true in any way.
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For trimming out of compression all you should use is the "elevator trim" and pull them back just as you would the stick to get alt(example)?

[Saintaw]

...look for the 56thFG. MarkAT, Sancho, Ammo, Nomde or myself are always happy to help a newbie start with AH. (If asked properly  )[/QB]

IF this is true & not some bogus- advertising I would like that list of poeple (extendeable) to stops shooting me repeatedly outa the skies!  

[SFRT - Frenchy]

It's called learning by trial and error Saw. It's a special treatment that we reserve to the ones we love. Such affection is rarely displayed by our pack  

[Nifty]

am0n, I shoulda said I think you're confusing the 1's capabilities vs the 4's capabilities.    I knew you were in the 1, but it sounded like you were expecting it to handle like the 4.  I didn't think the F4U-1 was all that great up high, but I could be wrong.  It definitely wouldn't be the first or last time for that!  

[AKSWulfe]

F4U-1 is great at low alt.

It's an early war airplane, there were no US airplanes good at high alts relative to late war variants of the US.

I repeat, NO good high alt early war airplanes came out of the US.

Relative to a Zero32, the F4U-1 is amazing at high alt. Relative to late war planes, it's a pig.
-SW

[Am0n]

Nifty

I actualy did here that about the F4U-1 in a discussion about it. I can tell you right now there is not a bit of truth to it. i had it above 30k, but you could not make it auto level, the air craft just snap rolls and looses control.  

As far as it being a great low alt fighter, i dont know about that either. doesnt roll as well as it pretocessors and also looses much speed and alt if you try looping attacks on low targets. One thing i do find it great at is using BNZ tactic like you would in a fast jug because the F4U-1 is one fast plane. (ive had one at 600 mph and it was flying just fine, as compared to other air craft.)