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Offline Hangtime

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« on: July 30, 2000, 07:29:00 PM »
Hey.. this was interesting.   First; many thanks to the organizers; Cobra and Kieren.. (and I'm sure there's more.. ) and of course; the mission author; Jihad.

We all upped in panzers (6) and P47's (18??) to go on out and whack the LW Vbase and kill their panzers.. and fend off their ground-pounding G6's escorted by 190's.

We all had a blast.. literaly. Maximum toggled his bombs on the runway while we were waiting and blew about 10 p47's to kingdom come; and a whole bunch of us fell in the damn crater tryin to take off. I was laffin so hard.. and poor Max musta apologised a hunnered times.. LOL "Max; keep yer hands in yer lap and touch NOTHIN till we get off the runway!!" hehhehhehheeee

We were all kinda cloudy on the ROE.. most of us (me included) just popped in fer the run from the MA; and as the ROE was explained it seemed like it would be a piece of cake... then I asked after we were airborne with the fields locked behind us "Hey.. anybody bring a goon? No?? The grunts get an M3?? No?? How in hell we gonna capture 55??"  Then I discoed. Yep; it was one of THEM days.. LOL! I think I oughta give up flyin on Sundays; period.  

How'd it come out??  ..and regardless of how it all did come out; I still had fun.. especially when Max blew us all 20 feet in the air.  

Keep 'em commin...

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Offline Kieren

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« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2000, 07:47:00 PM »
Pasted from the Special Events Forum:

"It was a good time, despite the usual last-minute delays (due to walk-ons). The Allied P47D-25's launched with 2x500lbs, rockets, and 100% fuel. The 190A8's launched with 100% fuel and rockets, and the 109G6's with 100% fuel. The absence of bombs for the LW was an accidental omission that would prove costly later...
The LW arrived over V58 first. They attacked the Allied armor near the field to no avail. They began to call for rtb for bombs, then realized the fields were closed- no reups, just rearm and refuel. Some headed back for more rockets, but most waited for the P47's.

The P47's arrived, but their drops were off-target. When they got low, the now lightened LW made short work of them. LW air superiority was complete.

The problem was the focus of the fight was on tanks, and at least 3 Allied tanks were alive. They arrived on V58, and the first was killed. The two reamaining tanks rolled into the hangar and destroyed it- for an Allied victory.

Or so we thought.

It was discovered that the person who dropped the hangar had been in a fighter had later joined as a gunner on a tank. That tanker then left. This was an accidental breach of the ROE, so it turned out to be a default Axis victory. To be fair to the Axis, they all said since two tanks were present in the hangar it would have been an Allied victory anyway (generous indeed), but I think we need to stick to the ROE's as much as possible.

We did a second frame, but as most of the people had left, Vadr and I were forced to fly/tank. We played Allied, and rolled towards the target.

I should say I might as well drive an ice cream truck as to try to tank- that is about as effective as I am. I have driven tanks in 3 scenarios, and I have yet to see the target.  I did manage to drag sufficient numbers of the bomb-laden LW away from Dago to give him the time to reach the base.

By this time the Axis is low, and the P47's arrive high. This being the -25 there aren't any dive brakes, and I watch the first P47 plow in from 18K. The next one comes in and scores hits on the hangar. Of course he immediately sped away when those nasty drag-inducing wings popped off- S! Vadr!

The fighters chased off what had been left of the P47's, completely ignoring Dago (panzer) until too late. He rolls to the field to close it down- clear but costly Allied victory. He then proceeds to shoot down 4 enemies (could have been more, that's all I saw). Not bad considering the numerical disadvantage the Allies started with in that frame.

It was fun, and I look forward to next week."

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« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2000, 08:46:00 PM »
I was a little frustrated by the whole affair.  I uped in a P47 with two bombs and rockets.  I understood we were absolutely not to engage fighters until we attacked tanks so I was about 3/4ths of the way there (where the tanks were) when the whole luftwaffe flew about 5000 feet over my head.  I couldn't attack them as I hadn't even seen the tanks yet.  Then about three 109s came screaming onto my butt and shot me down.  I wasn't sure if they were supposed to attack our tanks before they could shoot us or what.  In real life, I would have jettisoned all the crap and dove for speed the second I saw the 109 blips... Did I misunderstand something about this scenerio?  We can't ignore the fighters to attack tanks if they are diving all over us and killing us.  I'd be a little pissed off at my CO ordering me to fly straight and get slaughtered.

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« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2000, 09:31:00 PM »
It was a blast.  <S> to Keiren for CM'ing another fine event and for keeping it moving.

I was the 109 lead, and Busc was the 190 lead.  The 190's stayed low to jabo the tanks and the 109's job was to gain air superiority over the theater of operations.

I can tell ya, our eyes lit up when we saw the 47's below us, and they held onto their ord. when we dove on 'em.  Those guys had a tough go of it hanging on to all that weight.

Anyway, once we cleared the skies, we looked down and see 4 allied tanks still rolling for their objective.  At this time the 190's had already made their first attack and had rtb'd for re-arm.  So we took the 109's down to give those grunts a headache, because that's all our 109 guns could do against that armor..hehe.

The 190's came back on station and knocked out 1 or 2 more tanks, but it wasn't enough, they allies got a beach-head established at Normandy!

It was alot of fun and <S> all who participated!

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Offline Kieren

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« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2000, 09:37:00 PM »
Hmmm... I think anyone should be able to defend themselves. What I believe the spirit of the ROE called for was the tanks to be the primary target, but that should not preclude you from preserving your one life. Under the same circumstances, I would have dumped ord and skeedaddled, too. Sorry I cannot give you more than that, but that is all I know.

These events are intended to be quick and easy, with a minimum of fuss. Yes, there were definitely some things that could have been done much better on our parts, and thanks for pointing them out (really!). We just sit in the tower (most of the time) and listen, so we rely on feedback to improve the events.  

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« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2000, 12:21:00 AM »
Neat.. sounds like it wuz a blast.. and swapping sides was a neat twist too!

What happened to the LW's armor.. why didn't they ring their Vbase and set a skirmish line and pickets for advance allied units??

Not criticising; just curious!

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« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2000, 12:43:00 AM »
Ah! How could I forget to mention...

I believe in Frame 1 the P47's got 'em. I also believe one of the Allied tanks nailed at least one Axis panzer.

In frame 2, I don't think the Axis sent any- again, not following the ROE cost them the base.  

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« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2000, 03:52:00 PM »
Here's my recap. Not intended as a whine or to defend my actions as CO for Allies. Thanks to all the Jug pilots that showed their iron diciplin, even in the face of untenable ROE's.  Especially thanks to the guys who drove tanks.

<S> to vadr and kieren for CM'ing the event. I jumped into the arena with the intention of flying as a nameless, faceless nobody in the back of the allied pack (had barely skimmed the write-up). I ended up as Allied CO for the first frame! Dad told me when I enlisted to NEVER volunteer...and did I listen? No.
I liked the basic scenario setup, but the ROE's almost guaranteed the allies would win a phyrric victory at best. According to the instructions, the Jugs could not engage enemy fighters until we had dropped our ord on a target at v56. We launced twice as far away from there as the LW, so our tanks were without aircover for several crucial minutes. When we did get there, we found the LW high above us (having already made their ord drops minutes before). Being at the front of the pack, I managed to drop my bombs at a nme panzer sitting right on the v46. I then made a low gun pass on one of the base ack and killed it...loosing my engine in the process. As I tried to ditch amid the cloud of Fw's and 109's, I was hit by two enemy fighters and exploded .

As a suggestion, I think either the Jugs should be allowed to launch five minutes before the LW, or allow half the Jugs to jettison A2G ord and engage enemy fighters on contacting them (the normal procedure). For all that, I would definitely like the chance to do this one again.



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« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2000, 04:52:00 PM »
I joined the scenario from the MA and had not had time to read the ROE, unfortunatley the wrong load-out was taken by the 190's on our first sortie and we were not allowed to change this to bombs later...perhaps in light of the fact that the requested load-out change for the second sortie was in the ROE then perhaps we should have been allowed to change to bombs...this would however have undoubtedly changed the face of the scenario so perhaps this was an allied conspiracy?  

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« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2000, 10:29:00 PM »
Filling out and using the mission planner helps with the loadouts and getting everyone on the same page.

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« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2000, 05:40:00 AM »
Actually, there were two LW groups; the tank busting 190's who were low, and the anti jug 109 group, which had wepped its way to alt to have an advantage on the jugs.

I agree all should arrive at the tank at around the same time, but 109's should be allowed the only advantage they have - climb ;D

Was great fun; got three allierte opportunists P-47's. Unfortunately, the G6 is not a tank buster. All ammo spent on one tank, no kill  

I hope we repeat it some day; it was quite a smooth operation. Sure, some things need to be ironed out, but overall I was pleasantly surprised with how fast we got into air etc.



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« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2000, 11:03:00 AM »
LOL sorry!!!! My bobm dropped right on the start of the runway, and made it impsssidle to takoff without crashing.... I got scared and got lost from the group of fighters, ended up at 30 K alt and dove on a 190 and passed him at 500 MPH, then my wings blew off and the adnt then andnnd blah blah blah. lol

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« Reply #12 on: August 01, 2000, 11:25:00 AM »
I'll second StSanta, lets run it again soon, apart from the cock-up with the 190 load-out it was fun!

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« Reply #13 on: August 01, 2000, 11:59:00 AM »
This is correct: I was the PNZR and accepted too quickly the request for gunner join.

I breached the one life ROE.  My apologies.

I wish we had the ability to remove join request accepted crew.

Might even be nice for the CMs to disable this dot join feature for future one life scenarios.

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