Author Topic: Rodney King (Read 3199 times)

funkedup · « **Reply #60 on:** April 18, 2003, 03:17:12 PM »

Up to 1:10 he is still resisting by trying to get up.

-Concho- · « **Reply #61 on:** April 18, 2003, 03:18:45 PM »

I'm not saying its right at all, its just how things are.

Thing have improved dramatically over the past 10-15 years in the way police brutality cases are handled.

Me personally I dont see any reason in beating someone down, it serves no real purpose. Other than making some one feel more like a man I guess.

My original point was that the guy was beating on an officer, and still doing so when the other guys arrived on the scene. At that point were past all of the talking, he made the choice to go to the next level in the use of force continuum. All he had to do was put his hands on his head and give up.

capt. apathy · « **Reply #62 on:** April 18, 2003, 03:26:32 PM »

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My original point was that the guy was beating on an officer, and still doing so when the other guys arrived on the scene. At that point were past all of the talking, he made the choice to go to the next level in the use of force continuum.
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I'll agree with that but then the other cops arived and chose to go to another level too.

the police are trained profesionals and I would expect better decision making from them.

if we as citisens are expected to trust in the legal system for justice for wrongs against us then it would seem that cops should do the same. so maybe they should have just taken control of him (with out the extra-curicular beatings) and added the assaulting an officer charge to the rest of it. if they can't do that maybe they are in the wrong line of work.

SaburoS · « **Reply #63 on:** April 18, 2003, 03:31:50 PM »

At 00:00 he was on his hands and knees, no officers were trying to restrain him at that time. The Cops were there pissed off and they were going to beat the guy to "teach him a lesson".

Koon thought King was on PCP? LOL, sure keep beating on someone that won't even feel it. Keep in mind that if you beat on a suspect bad enough, they could die from internal injuries. The PCP victim will just never feel it (broken bones or not).

Truth is King was never a threat the cops wanted us to believe in. The "threat" label given him was due to their getting caught on video tape and didn't want to get punished.

BTW, I am a big supporter of the police in general. I've got some friends that are cops. Tough job. Yes, there are so called "victims" that make false accusations of the police. I know of one case specifically because I was there. The suspect never saw me so he thought it would be his word against the police officer's. (I can give you that account if you wish, but not now.)

Another account from a cop friend of mine. He injured his back BTW from this arrest. He and three other officers had to subdue a struggling (yes, on drugs) suspect. They succesfully subdued and arrested him without beating him. Did he feel like beating up the suspect for disobeying verbal warnings and instructions? Yup, but he's a cop and had to put his feelings aside.

-Concho- · « **Reply #64 on:** April 18, 2003, 03:34:32 PM »

police are authoirzed to use one level higher that the person coming at them.

ie. if a guy trys to hit you with a pices of pipe you can shoot him.

SaburoS · « **Reply #65 on:** April 18, 2003, 04:08:22 PM »

Police radio transmissions

The Rodney King Trial: Police Transmissions
The transcript of transmissions between squad cars and the watch commander's office of the Los Angeles Police Department's Foothill Division in the early morning of March 3:

12:29 a.m. From unidentified foot patrol officers in Sunland-Tujunga to Officers Laurence M. Powell and Timothy Wind: "What are you up to....We are up on the rock with [cars] L170, 82 and A89 on top of some abandon house with narco and BFMV [burglary from motor vehicle] suspects in it ....We are waiting for them to hit some places."

12:31 a.m. From Powell to the foot patrol officers: "....Sounds almost exciting as our last call....It was right out of Gorillas in the Mist."

12:32 a.m. From the foot patrol officers to Powell and Wind: "....HaHaHaHa....let me guess who be the parties."

12:32 a.m. From Powell and Wind to the foot patrol officers: "....I'm just trying to get through the night cause then I'm off for six, count them six, days....time for some serious bike riding."

12:32 a.m. From Powell and Wind to the foot patrol officers: "....Good guess."

12:34 a.m. From the foot patrol officers to Powell and Wind: "....You can't even get out of bed in the morning let alone bike ride....I'll believe that when I see it....I have one more then I'm off for four."

12:36 a.m. From Powell and Wind to the foot patrol officers: "....That's where your wrong....I was up at 12:30 today....I can't sleep that's the problem....I need to get worn out."

12:43 a.m. From the foot patrol officer to Powell and Wind: "....But can you keep up....HaHaHaHa....People better know we are talking about bicycling and not something else or they will begin to wonder what these messages are about HaHaHaHa."

12:45 a.m. From Powell and Wind to the foot patrol officer: "Oh bicycling....Of course."

12:47 a.m. From emergency board operator to all units: "CHP [California Highway Patrol] advises their officers are in pursuit of a vehicle failing to yield southbound Paxton- Foothill....Vehicle is white Hyundai, license 2KFM102, now approaching Glenoaks....Vehicle is now southbound Glenoaks- Paxton....now passing Sylmar....Vehicle is now northbound Van Nuys-Bordon....Foothill RTO [radio-telephone operator] is taking over the broadcasting of the pursuit [car] 16A23 [Powell and Wind] is the primary unit....Now eastbound Van nuys at Fulton...stopped at a light southbound Van Nuys at Foothill...two male black occupants...Vehicle still refusing to yield now eastbound Foothill at Osborne..."

Powell and Wind then got out of their car to investigate on Foothill east of Osborne. One of them broadcast a Code 4, meaning sufficient units were on scene and suspects were in custody at 12:59.

12:56 a.m. From Sgt. Stacy C. Koon to Foothill watch commander's office: "...You just had a big time use of force...tased and beat the suspect of CHP pursuit, Big Time."

12:57 a.m. From watch commander's office to Koon: "Oh well...I'm sure the lizard didn't deserve it....HaHa. I'll let them know O.K."

1:11 a.m. From Koon to watch commander's office: "....I'm gonna drop by the station for a fresh taser and darts...please have desk have one ready."

1:11 a.m. From watch commander's office to Koon: "Okey doke on the ACC desk....You want extra darts??? It's got two."

1:12 a.m. From Powell and Wind to the foot patrol officer: "....ooops."

1:12 a.m. From the foot patrol to Powell and Wind: "oops, what?"

1:13 a.m. From Powell and Wind to the foot patrol: "I haven't beaten anyone this bad in a long time."

1:15 a.m. From the foot patrol to Powell and Winds: "Oh not again....Why for you do that....I thought you agreed to chill out for awhile....What did he do?"

1:16 a.m. From Powell and Wind to the foot patrol: "I think he was dusted...many broken bones later....After the pursuit...."

1:17 a.m. From the foot patrol to Powell and Wind: "What pursuit?"

SaburoS · « **Reply #66 on:** April 18, 2003, 04:11:14 PM »

Koon's and Powell's police reports

The PCP was a coverup angle IMHO.

funkedup · « **Reply #67 on:** April 18, 2003, 04:13:03 PM »

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Originally posted by SaburoS
At 00:00 he was on his hands and knees, no officers were trying to restrain him at that time.

I've seen hundreds of arrests on Cops and have talked to my uncle (highway patrolman / MP for the last 30 years) about it. If you are on your hands and knees you are still resisting. You need to get on your belly.

-Concho- · « **Reply #68 on:** April 18, 2003, 04:25:38 PM »

thats the truth funked.

SaburoS · « **Reply #69 on:** April 18, 2003, 04:30:13 PM »

Link to the video tape

It starts not at the beginning but somewhere after King gets tasered at least twice. Seems the cops should be on him trying to cuff him at that point.
Because we don't have audio and the video of the incident from the beginning, we can only surmise what really went on.

Seems some of the cops wanted to teach King a lesson. they got caught on video tape.

From the tape I see an unarmed suspect reacting to fear and pain. Let's see here. At least ten armed officers surround him but yet he's a threat? Yeah, right.

SaburoS · « **Reply #70 on:** April 18, 2003, 04:32:56 PM »

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Originally posted by funkedup
I've seen hundreds of arrests on Cops and have talked to my uncle (highway patrolman / MP for the last 30 years) about it. If you are on your hands and knees you are still resisting. You need to get on your belly.

Yet how many arrests on "Cops" show a suspect being beaten like that? I've seen many episodes of that show as well. Amazing how civil cops can be under the circumstances.

SaburoS · « **Reply #71 on:** April 18, 2003, 04:38:21 PM »

If King was truly viewed as a threat, the cops would have had their guns drawn. Most are standing by just watching.
They were watching a beating pure and simple.
Had they known a video was recording them, I'd bet there wouldn't of been a beating at all. Heck, it takes another officer to approach Koon to remark about something (perhaps the beatings enough, they're out of control?). Koon then seems to regain composure and orders the apprehension of King.

-Concho- · « **Reply #72 on:** April 18, 2003, 04:39:27 PM »

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Originally posted by SaburoS
Yet how many arrests on "Cops" show a suspect being beaten like that? I've seen many episodes of that show as well. Amazing how civil cops can be under the circumstances.

The person being arrested dictates the ammount of force needed to effect the arrest.

-Concho- · « **Reply #73 on:** April 18, 2003, 04:42:39 PM »

Use of Force

the bottom in red is the violators actions, the boxes are the officers response

active resistance warrant the use of intermediate weapons ie ASP Baton or chemical sprays

Bodhi · « **Reply #74 on:** April 18, 2003, 07:27:15 PM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target
You are a funny little man Bohdi...

Putting words into my mouth then telling me I'm wrong for saying them.. thats rich.

But just to ease your mind a little....

"White folks" aren't too blame for slavery, but some dead white folks are, along with some dead African folks. Now go back to your meetin bubba.

Bubba? I put no words in your mouth, I just responded to your assinine comment about people's opinions concerning the King case. You made the accusations of racism through Clan membership, in turn I responded to your accusation. Or did that slip your mind???

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Originally posted by midnight Target
Whooo eeeee!

The white sheets are back from the cleaners I see.

It seems to me, that if you would like to whine about slavery and the ilk, you can load your happy little arse on a flight to south east asia and go help out the people suffering from indentured servitude and the like that goes on there. Maybe that may interfere with your Black Panthers schedule though.