for the 0.001% french reader : anti-américanisme primaire

[Octavius]

Je pense que j'ai passé le gaz.

[Toad]

Well, I'll answer in English since I no longer see a need or have a desire to try to relearn French. And since you don't like AltaVista, either.

Replacing an evil government wholesale has never been easy, never been "clean" and never been without mistakes being made. I expect this will be no different. However, at the end of the process I do expect Iraqis to choose their own leaders in free elections. Some will run that are undoubtedly "friendly" to the US and some will run that still view us as the "Great Satan". Irregardless, the people of Iraq, not the US, will make those choices.

Your own revolution was pretty bloody and the years following the removal of Louie were characterised by some pretty horrible events. The mis-named "Committee of Public Safety" for example.

It will be difficult. There will be mistakes. It is already better than living under Saddam. It will get much, much better than it is now.

[Toad]

Ouaibe

I believe the proof is there. Now the question is whether or not it will be discussed behind closed doors government to government or whether it will be brought out into the bright light of day and discussed publicly.

I see Chirac called Bush though... not the other way around. Make of that what you will.

I believe you'll soon see who the world chooses to follow. There may well be a split but I think the majority will stand with those who act for the right rather than surreptitiously aid the wrong.

It will be interesting to see what happens to those of Saddam's regime that have made it to la belle France, eh?

Are they "home safe"? Or will they be extradited? Stay tuned.

[beet1e]

je viens de faire pipi sur ton soulier

[Toad]

You best not be talking about my shoe, beet.

[Dowding]

Saw - a place where you would cut wood would be a Sawmill.

[Ouaibe]

ra : for your information about iraki embargo :

http://www.droitvp.org/500000.html#English

Source : AFP

Have a nice read

[Ouaibe]

Toad,

As i said earlier i don't, and i'll never, regret Sadam Hussein and his totalitarism government. And i sware the majority of the french think the same.

And i have no doubt that you, toad, think that it will be for the best of the iraqi people.
Where i think some AH US fellows missed the point is that US government didn't do it for pure philanthropy. We see it here more as a colonialist action to have one of the richest region of the middle orient in the hand of USA (read petrol, read region control...).
And don't forgot also that that action was against the international law.

I won't talk about the risk to distabilize the whole region and the fact that it will give seeds to create terrorist and terrorism, that's not the place.

And for the french analogy, it is irrevelant. The French people did the cleaning themselves.

[Martlet]

Originally posted by Ouaibe
Toad,

As i said earlier i don't, and i'll never, regret Sadam Hussein and his totalitarism government. And i sware the majority of the french think the same.

And i have no doubt that you, toad, think that it will be for the best of the iraqi people.
Where i think some AH US fellows missed the point is that US government didn't do it for pure philanthropy. We see it here more as a colonialist action to have one of the richest region of the middle orient in the hand of USA (read petrol, read region control...).
And don't forgot also that that action was against the international law.

I won't talk about the risk to distabilize the whole region and the fact that it will give seeds to create terrorist and terrorism, that's not the place.

And for the french analogy, it is irrevelant. The French people did the cleaning themselves.

Here's the problem.

When this all started, the French people on this board said it was against the UN.  Then the UN didn't do a thing.

Then they said we were going to suffer huge losses.  And we didn't.

Then they said we were going to kill thousands of civilians.  And we didn't.

Then they said the people in Iraq would fight us ever step.  And they welcomed us.

Now you are saying we are colonizing?

Get with the program.  If you'd stop trying so hard to find evil in our actions, we could put this all to rest.

[Toad]

Originally posted by Ouaibe
We see it here more as a colonialist action

Given the history of France, it's no surprise you view it that way is it?
 Given the history of the United States, it's no surprise that we do not view it that way.

And don't forgot also that that action was against the international law.

I would disagree. I think the terms of the '91 ceasefire and UN SC 1441 do allow that action, although I was against it.

Destabilize the region? When was it stable?

Terrorists and terrorism?

You mean like Abbu Abbas living in Baghdad?

You mean like Ansar Al-Islam running a terrorist camp in N. Iraq? (Gee, Saddam didn't seem to be able to do anything about them but we had no trouble.)

Perhaps you mean the Palestine Liberation Front terrorist training camp on the outskirts of Baghdad,operated jointly by the Iraqi regime and the PLF?

Is that what you won't talk about?


As for the French Revolution as "irrevelant. The French people did the cleaning themselves."

So the slaughter and looting after Louie was ok? Marat and Robespierre and the Committee all fine and dandy because the violence was "French on French?"

Well, isn't that what's happening right now in Iraq with the looting and lawlessness? It's Iraqi on Iraqi.

Things will settle out. Law and order will be restored. And when it's over, it will be Iraq run by and for Iraqis.

Must really upset you huh?

[SLO]

Marlet.....

Does Iraq belong too you......

Did you have the Majority of votes to INVADE(Liberate) IRAQ.....or did you completely ignore those votes.....

Did Iraq have the MEANS to cross half the world and create complete destruction of your country.......where you sooooooooooooooooo scared of IRAQ that you HAD too INVADE(LIBERATE) them.....

if it takes half starving people to scare the watermelon out of ya.......

Do you have the proof that France sold Illegal equipement to Iraq.....or like you said....maybe a 3rd party sold it to Iraq.

don't forget...now the world see's you controlling most of the oil in the middle east......good or bad?


why is it that after 1 week your oil prices went down.....why Haliburton already has a contract.....why is it that your country was in DESPERATE need of oil(shortages where predicted for the year 2020)...do you actually think people are gonna believe otherwise.....when both your Prez. and V.P are both from OIL Co's....

here's the one that gets me.....

now your gonna send that X-General Garner something.....to be the Interim person representing the US....

Did you now that this x-gen has a company that fabricates things that go BOOOOOOM...like missiles and such

do you know WHO his biggest client is......

say it....hmmm brother you know....say it with me please.....

ISRAEL....

your gonna send someone who helps kill Arabs.......

told ya your prez. had 0% exp. in international relations....did ya listen....NO of course not....

you showed photo's at the UN saying you had PROOF.....

where is that proof......should be easy to find...your there now.

[Martlet]

Does Iraq belong too you......

No

Did you have the Majority of votes to INVADE(Liberate) IRAQ.....or did you completely ignore those votes.....

We had UN resolutions.  No other vote was ever held.

if it takes half starving people to scare the watermelon out of ya.......

I have never met a starving person I was scared of.

Do you have the proof that France sold Illegal equipement to Iraq.....or like you said....maybe a 3rd party sold it to Iraq.

French companies sold things to Iraq.  Same thing.

don't forget...now the world see's you controlling most of the oil in the middle east......good or bad

Who cares?

why is it that after 1 week your oil prices went down

read up on commodities trading, and the stock market.

why is it that your country was in DESPERATE need of oil(shortages where predicted for the year 2020

You obviously know nothing about our oil sources and reserves, both foreign and domestic.

do you actually think people are gonna believe otherwise.....when both your Prez. and V.P are both from OIL Co's....

again, who cares

now your gonna send that X-General Garner something.....to be the Interim person representing the US....

correct, for the first time.

Did you now that this x-gen has a company that fabricates things that go BOOOOOOM...like missiles and such

who cares, not to mention irrelevant.

where is that proof......should be easy to find...your there now

follow the news.

[ra]

Originally posted by Ouaibe
ra : for your information about iraki embargo :

http://www.droitvp.org/500000.html#English

Source : AFP

Have a nice read

Thanks but I've already seen this article quoted everywhere.  It is not proof that the sanctions caused the increase in child mortality.  Most of the increase it cites occurred in the south, where Hussein's policies were the likely true cause.

Anyway, I am puzzled why so many people who opposed the war favored keeping sanctions if they really believed the sanctions were causing these deaths.  

ra

[Rude]

Originally posted by Ouaibe
Toad,

As i said earlier i don't, and i'll never, regret Sadam Hussein and his totalitarism government. And i sware the majority of the french think the same.

And i have no doubt that you, toad, think that it will be for the best of the iraqi people.
Where i think some AH US fellows missed the point is that US government didn't do it for pure philanthropy. We see it here more as a colonialist action to have one of the richest region of the middle orient in the hand of USA (read petrol, read region control...).
And don't forgot also that that action was against the international law.

I won't talk about the risk to distabilize the whole region and the fact that it will give seeds to create terrorist and terrorism, that's not the place.

And for the french analogy, it is irrevelant. The French people did the cleaning themselves.

The French are just fearful, or at least this majority you refer to is....being small minded brings out fear. For the French to think the US is colonizing Iraq is laughable and sad....You guys should stop trying to become someone and focus on doing whats right for a change.

[SLO]

Originally posted by Rude
For the French to think the US is colonizing Iraq is laughable and sad....You guys should stop trying to become someone and focus on doing whats right for a change.

no not just France thinks that...most of the WORLD does.

and its mostly NOT a question of colonizing but of CONTROL of the REGION and It's RESOURCES......


and martlet....why is it when its important to us you say WHO CARES.....for some...they do.

since it doesn't fit in your VISION...just put it aside right